STALIN's AGGRESSIVE PLAN in 1941

Grin

Banned
By the way, why you folks, who referring to Mein Kampf, always mentioning only east lands.
I think the main value of Mein Kampf is a bit different from what you are saying. Lands in the East were not his immediate task, only a perspective for centuries to come. It didn’t not at all follow from MU that Hitler would advance to the east. There is a mention of lands in the east, but no indication of when Germany needs to conquer those lands.
He even said (in Part 1, Chapter III): “The effort would have to be envisage in terms of centuries; just as in all problems of colonization, steady perseverance is a far more important element than the output of energetic effort at the moment.” Hitler was planning to build a thousand-year Reich. Even in the famous, repeatedly quoted passage, he speaks of centuries:”We want to return to that point, at which our previous development stopped six hundred years ago.” So, “lands in the east” is a very foggy concept, and there is no particular mentioning of Poland (any German movement “towards the sun could only go through the Poland) and Russia. This declaration could have applied to anyone. One phrase in his book transformed Hitler into a source of fear for all his eastern neighbors. This does not at all testify to his mental capabilities.

The number one priority for Hitler was his mortal enemy France.
Mein Kampf, Chapter XIII: “We must take every point of the Versailles Treaty separately, and make it clear to the broadest masses of the population. We must achieve an understanding among 60 million German men, women, and children, and make them feel the shame of this treaty. We must make these 60 million have a deep hatred for this treaty, so that their scorching hatred brings the will of the people together and evokes a cry in unison: GIVE US BACK OUR ARMS!”

That is precisely what Lenin dreamed of: “that someone would emerge, who would raise a struggle against the Versailles Treaty.” This someone did emerge. Adolf Hitler raised a struggle against the Versailles Treaty and against France. He demanded arms. Stalin put a sword in his hands. It is why the proclamation about lands in the east did not scare Stalin. Mein Kampf is against France, as can be read in Part 2, Chapter XIII:
“We must understand the following to the end: Germany’s most evil enemy is and will always be France”. Also: “The task of the day for us is not the struggle for world hegemony.... France systematically tears apart our people and according to her plans strangles our independence.... We simultaneously hear protests and slogans against five or even ten different countries, and meanwhile forget that first of all we need to concentrate all our physical strength and mental powers to deliver a blow to the heart of our vilest enemy.... France will inevitably strive to make Germany into a weak and crushed nation....
At the current moment, our only enemy is France – that nation, which deprives us of our rightful existence.” Further in the book, Hitler continues in the same spirit for many pages and chapters.


I’m just pointing that the main goal Hitler set for Germany’s future in Mein Kampf was not lands in the east, mentioned in only one phrase in the book, but in liberating Germany from the chains of the Versailles Treaty. Hitler made enemies within and outside Germany. Internal enemies were the Jews. Outside enemies were the French, and the Jews.
In order to advance east, it was necessary to stop moving west. On the other hand, in order to advance east, it was necessary to secure Germany’s safety from the mortal enemy, France, and first go west.
It was clear that if Hitler tried to free Germany from France’s economic slavery and from the Versailles Treaty, Britain would immediately interfere, because France imposed the treaty in alliance with Britain. If Germany entered into war with Britain and France, other countries would be pulled into the conflict as well.
He not only openly proclaimed his desire to advance eastward, he also declared that France was his mortal enemy. To this list he also added the Jews. Hitler’s heavy load of enemies broke the camel’s back.
But, in general, Mein Kampf really contains an inherent fundamental contradiction. Hitler got confused in 1924. And without glass of vodka it is difficult to grasp what he wanted in reality.

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The resolution would make August 23 a day of remembrance for victims of Stalinism and Nazism
A stupid idea-Stalinism was not as atrocious as Nazism which aimed at defining whole nations as creatures below animal status and exterminating them.

Stalin’s troops committed similar, or maybe even worse, atrocities in Poland, but Great Britain and France did not declare war on the Soviet Union
I would like to see a source for that, since most respectable historians(actually all I saw) put the number way below the number murdered by Nazi Germany. As for the second-why should they ? SU didn't declare war on Poland, and neither did they have any treaties in regards to SU entering Poland, unlike the treaty that they had with Poland in regards to German agression.

In the final count, Poland for whose freedom the Western European states had entered World War II, did not gain its freedom, but was given, along with all of Central Europe and part of Germany, into Stalin’s control.
It is customary to consider Britain and France among the victors. However, this is clearly a mistake. The purpose for which Great Britain and France entered World War II was ensuring Poland’s independence. This aim was not achieved as a result of the war; therefore, there is no cause to celebrate victory.
This is a lie. Neither Great Britain nor France fought for Poland's "freedom". They fought for clearly defined goal of preserving Polish western border from Germany. Which was stated in the treaties they made.
Not to mention Stalin's control was way better then mass extermination of the nation by Nazi Germany.
 

Grin

Banned
A stupid idea-Stalinism was not as atrocious as Nazism which aimed at defining whole nations as creatures below animal status and exterminating them.


So, for some bizarre reason, OSCE has different opinion, they think USSR under Stalin rule killed more people than Hitler. My advice to you would be to call them and express your burning indignation, yea, and I recommend you never expose your opinion in the Eastern European countries otherwise you would get hurt.

Stalin eliminated millions of people, he established the biggest labor camps world ever seen to create the biggest militarized industrial empire in the world with a thousand plants and factories, knowing the names of all managers in the state. It was the biggest military machine in the world history.

Only in 1932-33, during the collectivization and starvation, 3,5 to 5 million people perished from famine, and about 3 to 4 million people died at the places of exile as a result of intolerable conditions of repressions and unbearable life. Cannibalism flourished in the country. Stalin, meanwhile during these horrible times was selling millions of tons of grain each year to accumulate currency in order to produce weapons in mass quantities.

Stalin annexed Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, northern Bukovina, western Ukraine, and western Byelorussia, as well as parts of eastern Prussia with Koenigsberg, Trans-Carpathian Ukraine, the Kuril Islands (Russia is formally still in state of war with Japan), South Sakhalin, and Bessarabia. Under the banner of the “great patriotic war”, Stalin punished entire peoples and nations. On Stalin’s orders, all the Chechens, Ingushes, Crimean Tatars, Volga Germans, and other peoples were transported to empty frozen fields of waterless, lifeless steppes, and abandoned there to die. Stalin controlled the fates of entire peoples, not only on the territory of the Soviet Union but also in nearby countries. Stalin relocated millions of Germans from Prussia, Silesia, and Sudet. The Red Army came to Cenral Europe with the supposedly noble goal of liberating it from the Nazis, but it left only after establishing puppet governments in most of those countries. Poland, Chechoslowakia, East Germany, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaris, Yugoslavia, part of Austria, and Albania were forced under Stalin’s control, as well as China, North Korea, and Vietnam in Asia.

When the Nazi leaders went on trial in Nuremberg, Hitler’s concentration camps in Buchenwald, Saksenhausen, Mulberg, Furstenwalde, Liebe-Roze, Bautzen, and others were not shut down. These concentration camps were simply taken out of the SS system and incorporated into the system of the GULAG. Thus, for example, the Nazi concentration camp at Buchenwald was transformed into “Special camp #2”, which remained operational until 1950. Of the 28,000 people imprisoned there in those five years, seven thousand (25 percent) died. In comparison, from 1937 to 1945, 250,000 people went through the Nazi Buchenwald. Of that number, 50,000 (20 percent) died. The Communist Buchenwald had a higher death rate.

Actually, Stalin in his practice, never came to a purely Marxist atrocities, he had not repealed the family, had not sent all women in the public use, had not nationalized child labor, Stalin’s labor camps( GULAG) contained very few people - not more than ten percent of the population, while Marx recommended it for all and forever. Stalin's socialism was super soft option of Marxism - the so-called socialism with a human face.
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Interesting. We lose a Nazi sympathizer named Cheshire Cat and someone with very similar contempt for history named Grin arrives.

I'll email Paulo.
 
So, for some bizarre reason, OSCE has different opinion, they think USSR under Stalin rule killed more people than Hitler
And that changes the fact that Nazism aimed at extermination of whole nations while Stalinism didn't in what way ? Besides Nazi Germany killed more people then USSR if you look at the time they had and the number of their victims.


The Red Army came to Cenral Europe with the supposedly noble goal of liberating it from the Nazis, but it left only after establishing puppet governments in most of those countries.
Oh dear how terrible, and to think those people could have gone into death camps instead :rolleyes:
I recommend you never expose your opinion in the Eastern European countries otherwise you would get hurt.
Too bad for you that such opinion is actually quite common in certain Central and Eastern European states.
 

MrP

Banned
I have never supported any Nazi ideology, in contrast to you communist trolls.
And I would like to know on what grounds you put me in the category of Nazi.
And I’m sure that Nazi and Communist atrocities were possible because of ignorant, stupid conformists like you exist. Your prejudice blind you, like already blinded Hitler. Lack of basic knowledge of history made you see what fit with your prejudices. Hitler and Stalin were just like you guys, they never accepted point of view that wouldn’t suit their bloody ideology.

Yes, yes, old boy. Reported.
 
I think that Hitler, defending himself from the USSR and launching preventive war in some way had saved western civilization.

1939 Partition of Poland between Stalin and Hitler
1939 – 1940 Successful offensive war against Japan and Finland
1940 Aggression against six neutral
European states — Poland, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Romania
1941 Preparation for an aggression on a massive scale
More than five million of regular Red Army troops were deployed near the west frontier (not mentioning 1000000 of paratroopers). Also two dozen of thousands of advanced tanks and aircrafts, the best in the world artillery were ready to ‘liberate’ Europe, thereby to paint all Europe red color.
But Hitler had launched his surprise attack and disturbed Stalin’s plan to conquer Europe. Anyway, Stalin did his best to take at least half of Europe at the end of the WWII.




Since the Soviet Union was only mildly successful against Finland it is unlikely that they could have successfully attacked Nazi Germany. In Poland the Soviets only struck after the Poles were already defeated and merely restored the old Curzon Line. It was the Japanese who were the aggressers against the Soviet Union during that time. Their incursions into Soviet claimed territory were defeated by Zhukov.​
 
In Poland the Soviets only struck after the Poles were already defeated and merely restored the old Curzon Line.
Actually a common misconception-the line did not resemble the Curzon line although in certain areas it was close. Also in MR Pact the division was defined in other way alltogether.
 
Could you use a different font? Large font just gives the impression of yelling to me. A smaller font would be nicer, atleast in my opinion. If you ignore my comment that's ok, I guess.
 
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