Stalinist Kurdistan

azadi

Banned
In light of all the criticism my idea of a Juche Kurdistan have received, I have decided to replace Juche Kurdistan with Stalinist Kurdistan.
Differences between Stalinist Kurdistan and North Korea:
- All religion except for worship of the Kim Dynasty is repressed in North Korea. In Stalinist Kurdistan, there will be freedom of religion, but Stalinist Kurdistan will be a strictly secular state, similar to Kazakhstan under Nursultan Nazarbayev. Zoroastrianism will be promoted as a part of Kurdistan's cultural heritage and hijabs, female genital mutilation and segregation of genders in public spaces will be banned. The numbering of years in Stalinist Kurdistan will begin with the fall of Nineveh in 612 BCE, which led to the establishment of the Median Empire, but Stalinist Kurdistan will use the Gregorian calendar to calculate days and months. Year 2018 in the Western era will be Year 2630 in the Kurdish era.
- No songbun system in Stalinist Kurdistan. No persecution of family members of dissidents in Stalinist Kurdistan.
- More normal leaders than the Kims. The most likely Kurdish analogue of the Kim Dynasty is the Talabani family, and the Talabanis are unlikely to become like the Kims. Kurdistan has had many prominent nationalist socialist leaders (the Talabanis, Ali Askari, Ibrahim Ahmad, Kaka Hama and pre-1999 Abdullah Öcalan), but none of them are in the Kim league.
- Stalinist Kurdistan will still have a socialist planned economy as of 2630/2018, but without collectivization of agriculture in Juche Kurdistan. That will make Stalinist Kurdistan avoiding famine.
- More peaceful foreign policy than North Korea. Will still be irredentist, but not permanently belligerent. May try to develop nuclear weapons, but will not threaten other countries with them constantly. More like Israel or India than North Korea with regards to nuclear policy.
- Not strongly anti-Western, but Stalinist Kurdistan will be closer to Russia than to the Western bloc. Stalinist Kurdistan will support the USA during the War on Terror and will support Donald Trump's policy towards the Iranian mullah regime. Stalinist Kurdistan will be a strong supporter of Israel and will recognize Jerusalem as the undivided capital of Israel shortly after Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Stalinist Kurdistan will have friendly relations with both Russia and the USA as of 2630/2018. Stalinist Kurdistan will recognize Crimea as Russian territory. The Serok (a Kurdish word for leader, the Kurdish version of Duce) of Stalinist Kurdistan will meet Trump at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida. The Serok of Stalinist Kurdistan will meet Vladimir Putin at Sevastopol in Crimea.
- Massive repression of Islamists in Stalinist Kurdistan. Other forms of counterrevolutionary activity will also be repressed, but Islamists will be considered the No.1 enemy of the state. The Asayish (the Kurdish word for secret police) will knock on the doors of Islamists and other counterrevolutionaries at night and take them to detention centers without trial. The Asayish will practice mass surveillance of the population of Stalinist Kurdistan. The Asayish will resemble the Stasi. The Asayish will be an important partner for the CIA in the War of Terror. Extraordinary rendition of Islamist terrorists to Stalinist Kurdistan by the CIA will be frequent.

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azadi

Banned
Perhaps this man will be the leader of Stalinist Kurdistan:

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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2015/11/looking-like-stalin-will-make-you-go-viral.html
 
Also Kurdistan can try to industrialize, furthermore, it can do a holodomer type starvation to arab majority areas, creating problems later. This would not be a nice place, at all. However, should communism collapse, it might not be that bad post 90s.
 

azadi

Banned
The Stalinist regime in Kurdistan will still exist as of today and will still have a socialist planned economy. It will not contain Arab majority areas, and the Arabs in Kurdistan will be expelled in an analogue to the Greek-Turkish population exchange. A Holodomor will not happen in Stalinist Kurdistan as Holodomor was a result of forced collectivization of agriculture in the USSR, and Stalinist Kurdistan will not collectivize agriculture.

Azadi
 

samcster94

Banned
In light of all the criticism my idea of a Juche Kurdistan have received, I have decided to replace Juche Kurdistan with Stalinist Kurdistan.
Differences between Stalinist Kurdistan and North Korea:
- All religion except for worship of the Kim Dynasty is repressed in North Korea. In Stalinist Kurdistan, there will be freedom of religion, but Stalinist Kurdistan will be a strictly secular state, similar to Kazakhstan under Nursultan Nazarbayev. Zoroastrianism will be promoted as a part of Kurdistan's cultural heritage and hijabs, female genital mutilation and segregation of genders in public spaces will be banned. The numbering of years in Stalinist Kurdistan will begin with the fall of Nineveh in 612 BCE, which led to the establishment of the Median Empire, but Stalinist Kurdistan will use the Gregorian calendar to calculate days and months. Year 2018 in the Western era will be Year 2630 in the Kurdish era.
- No songbun system in Stalinist Kurdistan. No persecution of family members of dissidents in Stalinist Kurdistan.
- More normal leaders than the Kims. The most likely Kurdish analogue of the Kim Dynasty is the Talabani family, and the Talabanis are unlikely to become like the Kims. Kurdistan has had many prominent nationalist socialist leaders (the Talabanis, Ali Askari, Ibrahim Ahmad, Kaka Hama and pre-1999 Abdullah Öcalan), but none of them are in the Kim league.
- Stalinist Kurdistan will still have a socialist planned economy as of 2630/2018, but without collectivization of agriculture in Juche Kurdistan. That will make Stalinist Kurdistan avoiding famine.
- More peaceful foreign policy than North Korea. Will still be irredentist, but not permanently belligerent. May try to develop nuclear weapons, but will not threaten other countries with them constantly. More like Israel or India than North Korea with regards to nuclear policy.
- Not strongly anti-Western, but Stalinist Kurdistan will be closer to Russia than to the Western bloc. Stalinist Kurdistan will support the USA during the War on Terror and will support Donald Trump's policy towards the Iranian mullah regime. Stalinist Kurdistan will be a strong supporter of Israel and will recognize Jerusalem as the undivided capital of Israel shortly after Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Stalinist Kurdistan will have friendly relations with both Russia and the USA as of 2630/2018. Stalinist Kurdistan will recognize Crimea as Russian territory. The Serok (a Kurdish word for leader, the Kurdish version of Duce) of Stalinist Kurdistan will meet Trump at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida. The Serok of Stalinist Kurdistan will meet Vladimir Putin at Sevastopol in Crimea.
- Massive repression of Islamists in Stalinist Kurdistan. Other forms of counterrevolutionary activity will also be repressed, but Islamists will be considered the No.1 enemy of the state. The Asayish (the Kurdish word for secret police) will knock on the doors of Islamists and other counterrevolutionaries at night and take them to detention centers without trial. The Asayish will practice mass surveillance of the population of Stalinist Kurdistan. The Asayish will resemble the Stasi. The Asayish will be an important partner for the CIA in the War of Terror. Extraordinary rendition of Islamist terrorists to Stalinist Kurdistan by the CIA will be frequent.

Azadi
How does this compare to Saddam's Iraq or Gaddafi era Libya???
 

azadi

Banned
Stalinist Kurdistan is strongly secularist. It is regarding the relation between state and religion far more similar to Nazarbayev, Atatürk and the Pahlavis than to Saddam and Gaddafi. It is strongly pro-Zionist, while Saddam financed Palestinian terrorism against Israel until the end of his rule and Gaddafi was also anti-Zionist (but was less anti-Zionist in his later years, when he supported a binational one-state solution). Stalinist Kurdistan becomes friendly to USA after 9/11, which is quite similar to what Gaddafi did in his later years, while Saddam was extremely anti-American until the end of his rule. The relationship between Stalinist Kurdistan and the Obama administration was cool, again similar to Gaddafi, who was killed by an Obama-led invasion of Libya, and the relationship between Stalinist Kurdistan and Trump is very warm.

Azadi.
 

azadi

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Nationalism (socialism in one country). Secret police and mass surveillance. Authoritarianism. Rejection of euro-socialism and 1968 ideology.

Azadi
 

azadi

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How does this compare to Saddam's Iraq or Gaddafi era Libya???
Why does everybody compare Kurdistan to Arab countries? It is in my opinion more relevant to compare Kurdistan to other non-Arab majority Muslim countries. Concerning Communist or former Communist countries, the majority Muslim former USSR republics, Afghanistan and Albania are far more relevant to compare with Stalinist Kurdistan than non-Communist Arab regimes. But Gaddafi resembles Stalinist Kurdistan far more than Saddam does. Gaddafi introduced a socialist planned economy in Libya, but with retention of private agriculture. But Gaddafi was an Islamic socialist and an internationalist, and Gaddafi was far more excentric than the prominent nationalist socialist Kurdish leaders I mentioned in my original post. Saddam is utterly different from Stalinist Kurdistan. Saddamist Ba'athism was an Arab version of Nazism. The book Three Whom God Should Not Have Created: Persians, Jews, and Flies written by Saddam's uncle Khairallah Talfah was Saddam's version of Mein Kampf. If you want an Arab analogue for Stalinist Kurdistan, Salah Jadid's short-lived regime in Syria is a far better analogue for Stalinist Kurdistan.

Azadi
 
How's it going to stop all those guerillas (ranging from Islamists, students, liberals, dissident communist factions, various ethno/religious minorities) from destabilizing it through border raids? Kurdistan is pretty mountainous to begin with, so good luck on locking down the borders, especially with mid 20th century technology.
 

azadi

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Ethnic minorities will not be a large problem in Kurdistan. The Kurds are a massive majority of the population of Kurdistan except for its borderlands with Iraq proper and Turkey proper and except for the Kurdish region Cizirê in Syria. All Arabs will be expelled from Stalinist Kurdistan. And Yazidis are NOT a separate ethnicity. Yazidis are a Kurdish religious group. Shabaks are also Kurds, but with some distinct cultural traditions. Shabaks are not a religious group, since the Shabaks are divided between different Islamic denominations. The only recognized ethnic minorities in South (Iraqi) Kurdistan are Assyrians, Iraqi Turkmen (Turks of South (Iraqi) Kurdistan and Iraq) and Armenians. It's true that Kirkuk is very ethnically diverse, being populated by a mix of Kurds, Iraqi Turkmen and Arab Iraqis, and that the Assyrians are a significant part of the population of Dihok (Duhok) region in western South (Iraqi) Kurdistan (but far from being a majority of the population), but otherwise are South (Iraqi) Kurdistan, the most likely location for an independent Kurdish state, homogenously Kurdish.

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- More normal leaders than the Kims. The most likely Kurdish analogue of the Kim Dynasty is the Talabani family, and the Talabanis are unlikely to become like the Kims. Kurdistan has had many prominent nationalist socialist leaders (the Talabanis, Ali Askari, Ibrahim Ahmad, Kaka Hama and pre-1999 Abdullah Öcalan), but none of them are in the Kim league.
Why do you think this Kurdistan will avoid a Kim-like “dynastic rule”? OTL Iraqi Kurdistan has several political dynasties already (not sure about the situation in neighboring Iranian, Syrian or Turkish Kurd regions).

And what makes you say they would be more “sane” than the Kim family? Like, if you were to go back to when Kim Il Sung first came to power and before the Cult-of-Personality was built around him & his family (which occurred only in 1970s, IIRC) what signs would you actually see that would warn you that the society was destined for dynastic, dystopian rule? And why do you think these signs (if they exist at all) are absent in Kurdistan?
 

azadi

Banned
I mentioned the Talabanis as a possible ruling dynasty of Stalinist Kurdistan. But the Talabanis are far saner than the Kims.

What do you think would happen, if Hitler actually killed every Jew on his planet?
What has this to do with Stalinist Kurdistan?

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azadi

Banned
To @jycee

In my thread Juche Kurdistan, the forerunner to this thread, you said, that Juche Kurdistan was only plausible in a very small independent Kurdish state, smaller than present Iraqi Kurdistan. Would a Stalinist independent Kurdish state comprising only Slêmani (Sulaymaniyah) Governorate and Hellebce (Halabja) Governorate, the strongholds of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, fulfill your challenge?

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