Stalin as leader of Persia

What does China show? China became Communist in 1949 after Jiang pissed off a bunch of people and alienated the peasants by supporting the warlords. The only imperialist power 'watching over it' at that point was a US occupied puppet. The specter of Western imperialists threatening China was brushed aside by the very real threat of the Japanese in the 1930s. Persia, on the other hand, had the Russians and British to deal with at that point.

Which only shows that Marx was wrong about his whole "The Workers will rise!" spiel.

Marx was wrong for assuming a revolution to first occur in a place like Germany, where it was designed for. Ironically, it occurred in places that Communists would come to be called the worst, like Russia. Whether they would've worked better in places like Germany first is a debate for another time.

What China shows is a country with little to no industrialization(even less than Russia) can still experience a Communist revolt.

Now, Persia? Well, okay, it would require the Imperialist powers to be distracted, but again, that isn't impossible. In this situation, Russia can't intervene, having experienced a civil war, and also will have to reform, as even the Czars will realize at this point that the current system can't be continued.

So, that leaves GB, which while nothing to scoff at, isn't as bad as BOTH Russia and GB.
 
Killer, the Soviets attempted to establish influence in Persia historically, it didn't work out and neither the British nor the Persian monarchy tolerated it.

Communism could have done well in Persia, but the most ideal time is either 1979 or Mossadegh's era where the future of Iranian politics was uncertain.
 
But again, those are the Soviets. I'm not saying that SOVIET style Communism could've worked out in Persia, I'm just saying that A type could've worked out. I will say though that the chances are extremely slim, however Russia's chances of becoming Red aren't exactly great either.
 
But again, those are the Soviets. I'm not saying that SOVIET style Communism could've worked out in Persia, I'm just saying that A type could've worked out. I will say though that the chances are extremely slim, however Russia's chances of becoming Red aren't exactly great either.

I think we're talking past each other.

And no I meant communism or socialism of any sort, Soviet or otherwise, though the "otherwise" was definitely very popular in Persia. The chances are not extremely slim, just look at 1979 and who were the largest factions BEFORE Khomeini and his group won.

As for the Russian Revolution that calls for a whole other thread.
 
I think we're talking past each other.

And no I meant communism or socialism of any sort, Soviet or otherwise, though the "otherwise" was definitely very popular in Persia. The chances are not extremely slim, just look at 1979 and who were the largest factions BEFORE Khomeini and his group won.

As for the Russian Revolution that calls for a whole other thread.

Okay... yeah, that's true. Alright, my part's done here, since I've probably added all I really can to this.
 
Just to stick my head in: the idea that marx would have laughed at the words 'Russian revolution' is untrue. At the time he wrote the Communist Manifesto, of course, Russia seemed to be the only great country of Europe whose traditional hierarchic, religious, and agrarian society was not threatened by liberal and revolutionary ideasm, and its peasant-soldiers were once again called on to rescue the courts of Europe.

But during the long period of relative obscurity in which he was able to formulate so much of his theoretical work, the emerging Russian revolutionary intellectual scene were avid readers of his: his most important following outside Germany and probably his most dedicated intellectual public. They devoured and translated his work, and he corresponded with them, giving ascent to the ideas they eagerly put forward that a Russian peasant revolution would blow away the support of European reaction and allow a socialist revolution there, and never going out of his way to sit on their idea that Russia could avoid bourgeouis capitalism altogether.

His other great interest at the same time, oddly and prophetically, was the United States.
 
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