St. Patrick's mission failed

WI Ireland had not converted during the fourth age? No celtic christianism, no irish missionaries all over Europe. How would this halter christianity's development. I dare say it would slow it down although it'd probably eventually convert all of Europe at some point. Take note that England is quite fragile and the Irish and English were the ones that converted the Scandinavs.
 
Regular Roman Catholicism would turn up there eventually...

It may take a bit longer, though... :p

Yeah, I agree. But the question is when. I'm thinking about this as a POD in which the evolution of christianity and thereby the whole politicial landscape of Europe changes.
 
I suspect we'd actually see an Orthodox Baltic and Scandinavia

I do not see why.

In general, there's a great chance of plunging back into OTL:
There is enough time to spread Christiany on land route, or
to convert the Irish later.

However, there's plenty of room for the variation you are seeking.
Suggestion: Make the Germans in central Europe a bit fiercer to prevent their conversion as well for some time.
 
WI Ireland had not converted during the fourth age? No celtic christianism, no irish missionaries all over Europe. How would this halter christianity's development. I dare say it would slow it down although it'd probably eventually convert all of Europe at some point. Take note that England is quite fragile and the Irish and English were the ones that converted the Scandinavs.
By 'age' you mean 'century'? Your English is so incredibly good that I regularly forget it's not your native tongue.

I believe that other missionaries in addition to St. Patrick were preaching at the same time, so it might be a bit difficult NOT to have Ireland converted. On the other hand, given the strengths of the pagan intelligentsia (bards etc), maybe they could have come up with that AH cliche of surviving paganism?

[PS despite my screen name, I don't actually speak the language - although Grandma did]
 
I do not see why.

In general, there's a great chance of plunging back into OTL:
There is enough time to spread Christiany on land route, or
to convert the Irish later.

However, there's plenty of room for the variation you are seeking.
Suggestion: Make the Germans in central Europe a bit fiercer to prevent their conversion as well for some time.

Because the Rus converted in the year 1000 at the same year that Iceland and some parts of Norway converted. Now the major factor in the conversion of Norway was England. Olaf Tryggvasson and St.Olaf both converted there.

Denmark the center of viking trade converted due to missionaries both from Germany and England.

If England is still in midst of conversion or just newly converted they might not be succesful in converting the Norwegian and Danish pirates/warriors/settlers/traders as quickly as they did OTL.

That means that the Swedish origined Rus might be the ones doing crusades in the baltic and their Danish counterparts.

If you push it really far why not an orthodox Scandinavia.

And sure they could have fork beards, why bother creating an ATL if you can't have people with fork beards.
 
By 'age' you mean 'century'? Your English is so incredibly good that I regularly forget it's not your native tongue.

I believe that other missionaries in addition to St. Patrick were preaching at the same time, so it might be a bit difficult NOT to have Ireland converted. On the other hand, given the strengths of the pagan intelligentsia (bards etc), maybe they could have come up with that AH cliche of surviving paganism?

[PS despite my screen name, I don't actually speak the language - although Grandma did]

Why thank you:p I read a lot in English and Icelanders in general speak English quite well. One might even argue that culturally speaking we are a part of the Anglosphere just as much as USA and Canada.

Yes, of course the legend of a single St. Patrick converting Ireland is not very plausible in the end. Hmm... But we could see St. Patrick's failure maybe as more of a metaphore, for a general missionary failure.:D Sometimes I think AH.COM could just as well be renamed the League for Pagan survival.

[As for your PS, I may have pointed this out to you before, but if you want learn a little Icelandic and visit Iceland for a while there is a scholarship out there for Canadian and maybe USamerican students as well, to study in Iceland. Basicly all you have to do is to have an Icelandic grandparent and then the Icelandic government would actually pay for your stay and studies, you should look into it if your interested in looking at some roots as your screenname suggests;)]
 
Top