Sports What Ifs.

WI...
...Houston won the '05 World Series?
...the Oilers didn't move to Tennessee (and then go on to appear at the Super Bowl, bastards :mad:)
...um, anything else that makes Houston more prominent in sports?

Okay, hopelessly local, but the second one bugs me to no end!
 
Here's one that would be interesting for football:

What if players are still required to ground the ball in the endzone to score a touchdown (or it is re-introduced in football)? Grounding the ball is still a requirement in rugby, and the word 'touchdown' itself suggests that you have to 'down' the ball in a place that 'touches' the endzone.

That is interesting. I've watched rugby on T.V. before but I never knew that to be a rule. Despite that, I don't think that rule would help American football very much.

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WI...
...Houston won the '05 World Series?
...the Oilers didn't move to Tennessee (and then go on to appear at the Super Bowl, bastards :mad:)
...um, anything else that makes Houston more prominent in sports?

Okay, hopelessly local, but the second one bugs me to no end!

That has to be tough for you guys. I say something like establishing the University of Houston or Rice as a major player in the NCAA like USC for example. Maybe build a major media outlet in that area too.
 
What if Vince Lombardi doesn't get cancer in 1970, and instead coaches the Washington Redskins? Lombardi, after all, was only 57 at the time of his death, and could well have coached Washington into the middle of the 1970's. So what happens with him at the helm? Could the Redskins win a Super Bowl or two? What dynasties get short-circuited?
 
That has to be tough for you guys. I say something like establishing the University of Houston or Rice as a major player in the NCAA like USC for example. Maybe build a major media outlet in that area too.

Well, UH did have Phi Slama Jama in the early '80s...maybe if we can keep that going for a lot longer? Use that to attract good basketball students? And then those guys went into the Rockets, a lot of them...that could lead to a consistently good Rockets team up till now. UH serving as an unofficial feeder.

Now Rice, Rice is hard...they've got a good baseball program (I've heard), but, well, they're the [generic Ivy League school] of southeast Texas...they don't really have a strong sports tradition, at least not one I've ever heard about, much more on the academics (not that that's a bad thing, of course).

And by major media outlet you mean...? Something like having a HQ of a major network here?

And yes, it's been pretty hard. Especially number 2. For me, that was about the first time I really thought about football at all. I mean, it's like, ******, you're here for 20 years, consistently mediocre, then you go off and the next year go to the Super Bowl!?!?! *************!! :mad: Yeah, we were pretty happy when they lost :D
 
WI...
...Houston won the '05 World Series?
...the Oilers didn't move to Tennessee (and then go on to appear at the Super Bowl, bastards :mad:)
...um, anything else that makes Houston more prominent in sports?

Okay, hopelessly local, but the second one bugs me to no end!

If Lidge didn't give up that HR to Pujols in Game 5 of the NLCS and they close it out, I think that Oswalt would have started in Game 1 of the Series against the Sox. That may have given them a better chance.

If the Oilers didn't move to Tennessee, it probably would have meant that the choking dog 91-93 Oiler team didn't choke, and actually got to and won a Super Bowl.
 
Seems fairly relevant to the current NHL playoffs:

Boston keeps Joe Thornton and doesn't send him to San Jose in one of the worst deals since the Black Hawks dealt Phil Espositio to...the Bruins in 1967?

Where are the Sharks today and where are The Bruins?
 

fero

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What If American Football, Canadian Football, Rugby League and Rugby Union take away the diferencies between it?
(they already use the same weird ball)

The question is when, 1890 and 2000 is not the same; but aniway, I can see a great "World Cup of Rugby Football" that kick FIFA ass.

name of that great sport? handfootball? real football? speak english football? Ovalball! circle is for pussies
goverment by the IFO (International Federation of Ovalball), motto "ovaling the World", best sponsor: Ford

with or without helmet?

also the every year Franchise/Club World Cup.

best teams in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_World_Cup Rugby Union (at leat 1 time in semifinals) :Australia, South Africa, England, New Zealand, France, Wales, Argentina and Scotland.

best teams in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_League_World_Cup Rugby League (at least 5 aparitions) Australia, Great Bretain, New Zealand, France and Papua New Guinea.

best teams in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFAF_World_Cup American Football (at least 1 time in semifinals) : Japan, USA, Mexico, Germany, Sweden, France and Italy.

best teams in Canadian Football.... Canada.....

after 2 hours of wikipedia and paint
"best Ovalball nations 2011 in OTL"

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fero

Banned
the Sport Canadian Independency

What if Canadian goverment ban canadians teams to participed in Major professional sports leagues in the United States ?

or what if canadians teams ask for 50% of reneveu of the league for represent 50% of countries involved in the league?

2011 situation in 4 big leagues in OTL
122 teams total
29+29+24+32 = 114 US teams
1+1+6+0 = 8 canadians teams

2011 situation in 6 big leagues in OTL
148 teams total
29+29+24+32+16 = 130 US teams
1+1+6+0+8+2 = 18 canadians teams

profesionals sport leagues in usa and canada 7.PNG
 
If the NHL-WHA merger would have taken place in 1976 instead of 1979, there probably would have been more teams taken than four. There were 12 WHA teams to choose from that year as opposed to only six in 1979. The three locks would have been the Nordiques, Houston Aeros, and Winnipeg Jets. After that, it is hard to say, but my guess is that they probably would have taken two to three more teams in that situation. As for the candidates for the other three slots, I think that the San Diego Mariners would have been one. The Seals were getting ready to move to Cleveland, and the Mariners could have replaced them as California's second team.

As for the other two, it is hard to say. Maybe the Oilers don't get put into the NHL in this scenario. They didn't have a very good team at the time. I think that they would have gone with Cincinnati, since Cleveland just got a team from Oakland, and the Calgary Cowboys.

A very interesting discussion, but if I recall correctly, the New England Whalers (later the Hartford Whalers and now the Carolina Hurricanes) were one of the stronger teams in the league in 1976 and would have to be involved in the merger. I'm glad you mentioned the Houston Aeros, because they seem to be forgotten in most of these discussions. The four teams merged into the NHL in 1979 were Edmonton, Winnipeg (Phoenix), New England (Carolina) and Quebec (Colorado), but I think Houston makes it in 1976 and possibly San Diego as well.

In the end, it will all come down to money. The NFL accepted all of the AFL franchises in 1966 because the teams were financially viable, thanks to the TV contract with NBC in 1964. You couldn't say the same about the WHA, or even the ABA, in 1976, as neither one had a legitimate national TV package. So the NHL and the NBA weren't obligated to take the weaker teams, and instead, we got an NFL-AAFC-style merger in 1950.
 
What if the Pacers, despite an NBA memorandum saying not to draft Larry Bird because he is going back to school for one more year, ignore the memorandum and draft Larry in the first round because they need a local draw for their struggling franchise?

Pacers went 37-45 in 1979-80 in OTL, so I think Bird gives them enough of a boost for them to go 50-32 and win the Central Division. They had a decent nucleus of a team with Billy Knight and a young Alex English, so Bird gives the team and the fanbase a jolt. With Bird on the team, they don't feel the need to reach for a superstar, so they don't make that AWFUL trade to give up English for McGinnis. They lose in the conference semifinals to the 76ers, but the series goes all the way to seven games and really revitalizes the fanbase. The next season they win 58 games and play another epic seven game series with the Sixers, this time in the conference finals, though once again they come up short (they don't have a dominant big man like the Celtics did). They trade up a few spots in the 1981 draft to pick up Larry Nance, and with his defense and inside presence they finally break through in 1982, beating the Sixers in the conference finals and giving the league a showdown between Magic and Bird, though the Lakers sweep the Pacers in the 1982 finals. A driven Pacers team plays hard all throughout 1983 and they finally win a title, beating Boston in the conference finals before beating the Lakers in an epic seven game series in the 1983 NBA Finals, the turning point being when Clark Kellogg runs down and clotheslines Kurt Rambis in Game 4.
 
some What if based on the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake:

1) the A's and Giants both lose their playoff series?

2) A's in, Giants out (a Oakland-Chicago Series)?

3) the Quake happens a hour later?

4) the quake occurring in 1968, during the Heidi Bowl game (at Oakland)

Could the Oakland Coliseum or Candlestick Park with a load on the stands have survived the quake? could players on either team have gotten killed had there been a stadium failure?
 
Going back to the first question asked in the OP, if KC had shocked Green Bay in Super Bowl I, would it still be the Lombardi Trophy or the Hank Stram Trophy?
 
No Leukimia for an Orange Graduate

WI if Ernie Davis, who was the # 1 overall draft pick in the 1962 (surprisingly held in December of 1961), did not have Leukimia.

He was drafted by Washington, and then traded prior to the season to the Cleveland Browns. He never played a down for them.

The Browns still had Jim Brown in 1962. Jim Brown retired before the start of the 66 season. So from 62 - 65, no matter how good Ernie Davis was, I just can't see him making that much of a difference to the Browns during that period.

In 62, last year with Paul Brown as Head Coach, they went 7-6-1. Jim Brown was merely mortal that year. But the Browns would need to win 5 more games to beat the 12 and 2 Giants for the division title to make the playoffs. Davis is great, but not that great.

In 63, they went 10-4, missing the playoffs by one game. Its possible they might have made the playoffs with Davis. While Jim Brown did run for an NFL record 1800+ yards that year, there were still 150 non-Brown running attempts by the offense that year. So its quite possible Davis would be a difference maker this season.

In 64, they went 10-3-1 to win their division and then beat the Colts to win the Championship. Can’t do better than that.

In 65, they went 11-3 to again win their division. But they lost the Championship game to the Packers 23-12. It’s possible with Davis they could have won the Championship.

In 66, 24 year old Leroy Kelly was their primary running back, rushing for 1100+ yards at 5.5 yards an attempt and scoring 15 rushing touchdowns. The Browns went 9-5, finishing 1.5 games behind the Cowboys and not making the playoffs. The Browns had the number one rated rushing offense, and the 2nd overall offense that year. Hard to see Davis making enough of a difference to push the Browns to the Divisional title.

In 67 the NFL went to a four Division format, with the Browns winning their division. They were walloped 52 – 14 by the Cowboys in the 1st round of the playoffs. It’s possible with Davis they might have down better in the playoffs. (FYI, the Rams and Colts both went 11-1-2 playing in the same division that year, but the Colts didn’t make the playoffs)

In 68, they won their division, but lost to the Colts 34 – 0 in the Conference Championship game. The Colts were 13-1 that year (before losing to the Jets in Super Bowl 3). Hard to see Davis making that much of a difference, but it is possible he could have had a great playoff performance. Leroy Kelly ran for 1200+ years at a 5.0 yards per attempt pace with 16 rushing touchdowns for the Browns.

In 69, they again won their division, but lost in the Conference Championship game. This time to the Vikings by a score of 23-7. Leroy Kelly had an off year. Could Davis had made enough of an impact to get them into the Super Bowl?

In 70, the Browns go 7 and 7 and miss the playoffs by 1 game. The running game was only ranked 18th in the now 26 team merged NFL. In what would have been his 9th season, a healthy Ernie Davis would have been enough to push the Browns to win the Division over the Bengals.

In 71, the Browns return to winning the division championship with a 9-5 record, but they lose in the first round 20-3 to the Colts. The Browns rushing offense was even worse in 71, ranking only 20th. Ernie Dave would have significantly improved it. It’s possible they could have pushed further into the playoffs with Davis.

At this point Ernie Davis would have played 10 seasons in the NFL. He’s taken a lot of hits, and been injured (hopefully to validate this POD, none seriously). Not many running backs are still great after 10 seasons. His career length would have been helped by splitting the rushing duties for the first 4 years of his career with Jim Brown. I assume Jim Brown would still have retired when he did. I assume the Browns would still have drafted Leroy Kelly. He was an 8th round pick in 1964. He likely would have helped share some of the running load with Davis after Jim Brown retired. So maybe Davis is still pretty effective after 10 seasons and able to help the Browns win, but the likelihood of this is entering a grey area.

In the period 62 – 71, the Browns didn’t make the playoffs in 1962, 1963, 1966, 1970. With Davis they likely do make the playoffs in 63 and 70, and maybe in 1966. More difficult to guess how their playoff appearances might have improved. I see 1965 and 1969 as the most likely possibilities for them winning Championships.

Ultimately, the Browns already had a fantastic running game through this period. Davis was great, and he’d have helped improve the Brown’s legacy. But unless he in fact was the second coming of Jim Brown (which we’ll never know), I’m not sure he’d have been a mythical figure who’d have pushed the Browns to multiple consecutive championships.
 
Dolphins

How about Dan Marino deciding in 1990 to leave Miami and go to a Super Bowl contender like Dallas, DC or Buffalo.

What kept him in Miami his entire career is still foggy to me...

Well, if Larry Gordon and David Overstreet don't die in 1983 and 1984, respectively, maybe the Dolphins have better drafts going forward.

For example, if Larry Gordon was still around, maybe Shula doesn't feel the need to trade up in the 84 draft to get a LB. They address other positions with the first two picks, and take DE Jumpy Geathers in Round 1 and OG Stefan Humphries in Round 2.

Then in 1985, if Overstreet doesn't die, they could take CB Issiac Holt in Round 1 and since they wouldn't have had to trade their second-rounder for Pete Johnson, they could have drafted S Jeff Dale, which would have given them two players to help an average secondary.

They did get John Offerdahl the next year, but they passed on DE/LB Tim Harris for T.J. Turner. If they take Harris instead, if John Bosa(their 1987 #1 draft pick) stays healthy, and if they take DL Michael Dean Perry in the first round in 88 instead of Eric Kumerow, that could be another piece in a vastly better defense than what they had in OTL.

Then, if they draft Andre Rison over Sammie Smith in 89, and trade back into the first round in 1990 to get Rodney Hampton along with OT Richmond Webb, this suddenly becomes a team that can get Marino that ring.
 
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One thing that kept Marino in Miami is that he had an offensvie line that protected him - I mean, sure, he had a ridiculously fast releast, but still, he could have been sacked more on a worse team.

the REdskins had a longtime coach, Joe Gibbs, who would be retiring soon, and it probably wasn't expected. Plus, didn't Dan Snyder own the team by then? Rumors may have already begun to swirl about how bad he was.

most other Super Bowl contenders already have proven QBs in 1990, and Marino was in a familiar place with Don Shula, with an offense he knew, in a warm climate, on natural turf (which is better on the legs, ISTR) - a better question would be, what would it take to make him leave? A lot, I think, though if Gibbs would promise to stick around for a lot longer, *maybe* Washington. It would fit most of the qualifications.

Now, if Shula leaves in '88 or so, maybe, but he did have a decent team in '90-'93.

Speaking of coaches leaving...

Chuck Noll's Steelers came close to defeating John Elway's Broncos after the 1989 season. Of course, john Elway is John Elway, so they came back and won, but suppose they do? Noll's team hosts the division rival Browns for the AFC title game in January of 1990.

What then? If Noll's team advances tot he Super Bowl they still get trashed by the 49ers, but is it enough to save his job the next year?

Of coruse, one coudl arge he chooses to go otu a "winner" having gotten hsi team there and they get Bill Cowher a year early.
 
One thing that kept Marino in Miami is that he had an offensvie line that protected him - I mean, sure, he had a ridiculously fast releast, but still, he could have been sacked more on a worse team.

the REdskins had a longtime coach, Joe Gibbs, who would be retiring soon, and it probably wasn't expected. Plus, didn't Dan Snyder own the team by then? Rumors may have already begun to swirl about how bad he was.

most other Super Bowl contenders already have proven QBs in 1990, and Marino was in a familiar place with Don Shula, with an offense he knew, in a warm climate, on natural turf (which is better on the legs, ISTR) - a better question would be, what would it take to make him leave? A lot, I think, though if Gibbs would promise to stick around for a lot longer, *maybe* Washington. It would fit most of the qualifications.

Now, if Shula leaves in '88 or so, maybe, but he did have a decent team in '90-'93.

Speaking of coaches leaving...

Chuck Noll's Steelers came close to defeating John Elway's Broncos after the 1989 season. Of course, john Elway is John Elway, so they came back and won, but suppose they do? Noll's team hosts the division rival Browns for the AFC title game in January of 1990.

What then? If Noll's team advances tot he Super Bowl they still get trashed by the 49ers, but is it enough to save his job the next year?

Of coruse, one coudl arge he chooses to go otu a "winner" having gotten hsi team there and they get Bill Cowher a year early.

No, Snyder didn't take over the ownership until 1999. Jack Kent Cooke was still the owner in 1990.
 
No, Snyder didn't take over the ownership until 1999. Jack Kent Cooke was still the owner in 1990.

Okay, thanks. And I promise I proofread spelling in my books a lot better than my Internet posts :D

An interesting Redskins what-if, Joe Theismann was almost traded for Eric Hipple of the Lions at one point, I forget when. It might have been after 1980. I wonder what happens then. And, if the 'Skins are still in the market for a QB, do *they* take Marino?

Of course, that might tarnisht he Joe Gibbs legacy a bit if he has one great QB the whole time. I'm more impessed by how he won his Super Bowls in OTL, with just medium to good QBs each time, and 3 different ones.
 
Speaking of Joe Theismann, suppose he decides to sign for the Dolphins in 1971 and becomes Bob Griese's understudy. The following season when Griese hurt his ankle a few games into the Perfect Season veteran Earl Morrall took over and helped keep the unbeaten run going, if Theismann had been the understudy how would he have performed? Miami had probably the best offense in football then with Csonka, Kiick, Morris, Warfield and a superb O-Line, Morrall was experienced enough how to use that talent. Would Theismann have done as well as Morrall did or would his inexperience have cost Miami some games?
 
Current Stanly cup.

How many matches would it last with the Boston keeper not supergoalie and Canuck goalie going swiss cheese in away games?
 
Going back to the first question asked in the OP, if KC had shocked Green Bay in Super Bowl I, would it still be the Lombardi Trophy or the Hank Stram Trophy?

Now that's an interesting question. I guess neither. Although the AFL/NFL union was supposedly a merger, it really was the larger, older league absorbing the smaller one and then mixing up the conferences to make both the same size. The NFL would not name its trophy after an AFL coach. Maybe George Halas or Jim Thorpe?

Actually I tend to be disinterested in what ifs that focus on specific teams or players rather than broader cultural effects such as this...

But, If Elway had played forthe Colts, who's statue would be in South Park?
 
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