Sports What Ifs.

WI the Astros drafted Derek Jeter in 1992 with the #1 pick? One of their scouts (Hal Newhouser, IIRC) resigned because he'd recommended Jeter and the Astros passed on him; he commented that the Astros were passing up a chance to go to the World Series...

Maybe they're less skittish about what Jeter wants as a signing bonus ITTL...
Jeter might get the offense the boost enought to try to steal the crown to the reds in 96 but in 97 is when they would hit fire, maybe even push to five games vs braves but still lose.
1998 is when everything change, they could hit gold in 98 and goes all in.
 
Don't know if it's been discussed before, but I seem to recall Cheryl Miller having a tryout with the Clippers in the '80s sometime. She didn't make the team, and she had a serious knee injury in '88 from what Wikipedia says. So...

Let's figure either that she doesn't make it then but doesn't suffer the injury, so the Clippers are desperate and she tries out again and makes it (becasue that team was horrendous enough they'd possibly go all in for the drama of having the first female NBA player) or she doens't have the injury but the Clippers suffer a big spate of injuries in the year she does try out - whichever it was - and she makes it.

She's not necessarily going to be a star; but it won't just be a footnote, either. It could make things very interesting for women if she does make it even as a sub. Perhaps the WNBA is begun 5-7 years early for talents like hers, for instance.

There is also the issue of Donald sterling. I can see him agreeing to do it if he has suffered a severe enough financial loss that he needs to somehow get more revenue through just whatever kind of promotion he can make. Or, he says some really dumb stuff and he's forced to do it to try to avoid being suspended by the league, saying in effect, "Look what a real progressive I am."'

I could, if the latter hasn't happened before, it's quite likely to happen *after* she plays her first game or two, if not before. (Actually, knowing sterling, it might happen after she signs, even if he's signed her in order to avoid a league suspension or something.)

Is there another team that would be desperate enough to sign her?
 
Seems like Andrew Luck gets the situation he had in Indy, only far worse. Definitely looking at the Browns being If Luck somehow avoided injuries, I definitely see him going for free agency and the Browns having yet another egg on their face.

Now, if the Browns, with new owner Haslam, can build a serious team around him in offensive protection and weapons, then maybe the Browns go to a playoff berth or two. Add Sean McDermott and you have a serious reason for Luck to stay.

As for Indy, they keep Manning (unless he was so dead set on leaving that he goes for Arizona or Tennessee) and maybe, with the right decision making, make one last SB berth and then go looking for a QB. If the odds are in their favor, Indy may just end up getting the guy they wanted four years ago, but for a much better team.
 
What if Bruce Lee didn't die, continued with his acting & martial arts careers, and was able to educate Brandon and impart his skills to him, and Brandon also doesn't die in 1993 just finishing The Crow, and months later, decides to (for whatever reason) get involved in the UFC.

Kind of a bonkers idea, but I thought of it watching people play that EA UFC game, and seeing Bruce knocking the crap out of TJ Dillashaw.
 
Alternatively. What if bruce lee didn't die, got in on WSMAC, the gracies (obviously) pounce in on it too, and we get MMA like 20 years early?
 
Seems like Andrew Luck gets the situation he had in Indy, only far worse. Definitely looking at the Browns being If Luck somehow avoided injuries, I definitely see him going for free agency and the Browns having yet another egg on their face.

Now, if the Browns, with new owner Haslam, can build a serious team around him in offensive protection and weapons, then maybe the Browns go to a playoff berth or two. Add Sean McDermott and you have a serious reason for Luck to stay.

As for Indy, they keep Manning (unless he was so dead set on leaving that he goes for Arizona or Tennessee) and maybe, with the right decision making, make one last SB berth and then go looking for a QB. If the odds are in their favor, Indy may just end up getting the guy they wanted four years ago, but for a much better team.
Cleveland actually had some good talent at the time (Mr. Suspension himself-Josh Gordon, TE Jordan Cameron, Josh Cribbs, Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Joe Haden, T.J. Ward. D'Qwell Jackson, Jabaal Sheard, Ben Watson). And, this was a team that lost five games by seven points or less (they finished 5-11) with Weeden at QB. With Luck, they probably go 8-8, and pick 16th or 17th. CB, RB, and OL are among their needs, and looking at how the draft went, Desmond Trufant seems to be the logical pick. Then, in Round 2, they miss out on Le'Veon Bell, but DT Johnathan Hankins looks appealing to them (a local boy from Ohio St.), and they put him next to Ahtyba Rubin.

They did have Dion Lewis in camp, but he was lost for the season. If they have this team, and Lewis stays healthy that year (they probably add a vet RB with the draft class being less than adequate at the position), they probably make a run at the playoffs, and I can see them contending over the next few years.

As for Denver, without Manning, they take Brandon Weeden, who they end up replacing in a few years with Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, or Jimmy G. Tebow still ends up in Gotham, and his career has the same result.
 
Cleveland actually had some good talent at the time (Mr. Suspension himself-Josh Gordon, TE Jordan Cameron, Josh Cribbs, Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Joe Haden, T.J. Ward. D'Qwell Jackson, Jabaal Sheard, Ben Watson). And, this was a team that lost five games by seven points or less (they finished 5-11) with Weeden at QB. With Luck, they probably go 8-8, and pick 16th or 17th. CB, RB, and OL are among their needs, and looking at how the draft went, Desmond Trufant seems to be the logical pick. Then, in Round 2, they miss out on Le'Veon Bell, but DT Johnathan Hankins looks appealing to them (a local boy from Ohio St.), and they put him next to Ahtyba Rubin.

They did have Dion Lewis in camp, but he was lost for the season. If they have this team, and Lewis stays healthy that year (they probably add a vet RB with the draft class being less than adequate at the position), they probably make a run at the playoffs, and I can see them contending over the next few years.

As for Denver, without Manning, they take Brandon Weeden, who they end up replacing in a few years with Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, or Jimmy G. Tebow still ends up in Gotham, and his career has the same result.
Yeah in a way losing 2012 draft class for luck is a net positive as avoid richardson and weeden and long term the main issue browns QB was competency and second health, but with thomas they can guard luck very well and focus in OL without the worry of a QB. Is not the best scenario but not the worst one

Indi hit jackpot with the browns, they can draft down and move all what they want to give manning reinforcements.

As for Denver, without Manning, they take Brandon Weeden, who they end up replacing in a few years with Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, or Jimmy G. Tebow still ends up in Gotham, and his career has the same result.
Yeah wonder if Elway got the same pressure, with Carr or Jimmy they could even win it out in 16(sans a QB injury)
 
What if.....

The Steelers Drafted Dan Marino 1st round in 1983? Most of the team's front office wanted to do this (Art and Dan Rooney included) but Chuck Noll and a few others overruled them and ended up picking John Reinstra instead.

The Tuck Rule was ruled as a fumble and not an incompletion in 2002?

The Browns never moved to Baltimore after the 1995 season and kept Bill Belichick as their coach??
 
The Steelers Drafted Dan Marino 1st round in 1983? Most of the team's front office wanted to do this (Art and Dan Rooney included) but Chuck Noll and a few others overruled them and ended up picking John Reinstra instead.
We already discussed this...might be enough keep the team competitive and maybe a sneak run in late 80's-early 90's?

The Tuck Rule was ruled as a fumble and not an incompletion in 2002?
The Browns never moved to Baltimore after the 1995 season and kept Bill Belichick as their coach??
I think BB would be gone, issues already where up(and benching kossar for eternal journeyman testaverde did not make him any favours), still depends if modell is or not the owner, with a different one...BB could comeback rather pats.

The Tuck Rule was ruled as a fumble and not an incompletion in 2002?
Raiders run out the clock, beat the pre big ben steelers easily and got shreded out by the rams. Pats keep bledsoe with the message a mistake and he is benched...is benched by october and traded to the cowboys early. Gruden keep his job in Oakland, he and rich have a magic season in 02 and they beat a repeating rams in a instant classic
 
What if.....

The Steelers Drafted Dan Marino 1st round in 1983? Most of the team's front office wanted to do this (Art and Dan Rooney included) but Chuck Noll and a few others overruled them and ended up picking John Reinstra instead.

The Tuck Rule was ruled as a fumble and not an incompletion in 2002?

The Browns never moved to Baltimore after the 1995 season and kept Bill Belichick as their coach??
Gabe Rivera.

Noll said Bradshaw has 4-5 years left and Malone and Woodley were both capable successors.

Oops.
 
WI the Dolphins drafted Joe Montana? Yeah, he'd probably sit his first season or two out, but this butterflies away them drafting Dan Marino...

Or, WI the Houston Oilers drafted Dan Marino?
 
I don't know if it's been discussed any before, but what if Colts decide to see how much of a steal they can get for their first round draft pick? They figure out why won't sign but that they can get a real steel and that there are plenty of other good quarterbacks in the draft in this scenario which is true.
The Rams were pretty much set on Eric Dickerson I think, and the Raiders Of course already had Jim Plunkett and then Mark Wilson waiting in the wings. But they could certainly use those teams against each other. Seattle would have surely taken Elway had they traded for the pic, and of course Denver would have and they wouldn't have had to give up quite as much since in the scenario Baltimore wouldn't be trading down as far.

And, could Marino have been good enough to keep them in Baltimore? If he gets them four more wins Dash which is just possible day and one is against Miami, and Miami loses a couple more games, Baltimore wins the Division. They would probably lose in the AFC title game to the Raiders but that might get them enough momentum to get a new stadium.
 
I don't know if it's been discussed any before, but what if Colts decide to see how much of a steal they can get for their first round draft pick?
Depend the Haul, but seems colts were eyeing a trade with raiders(for pluckett+picks) and bufallo before they just took elway and the whole mess started

And, could Marino have been good enough to keep them in Baltimore? If he gets them four more wins Dash which is just possible day and one is against Miami, and Miami loses a couple more games, Baltimore wins the Division. They would probably lose in the AFC title game to the Raiders but that might get them enough momentum to get a new stadium.
Nah The Irsay were already on their illegal shit, the only way to keep them is some player(let's say marino) rat them out to the city, intercept them and emminent domain them
 
The Steelers Drafted Dan Marino 1st round in 1983? Most of the team's front office wanted to do this (Art and Dan Rooney included) but Chuck Noll and a few others overruled them and ended up picking Gabe Rivera instead.
I am on the message board of this Steeler fan site (where he shows old games), and they had a thread about this:

http://s675307413.onlinehome.us/showthread.php?tid=152

On that thread, I found this post:

Quote from Crash "Art Jr. always tries to blame Noll.

Marino worked out for Noll, and Noll wanted him.

ART JR. was the one who said they had Bradshaw for at least three more years.

This was in Inside Sports ONE YEAR, after the draft."Quote

I guess that the blame was passed, since nobody wants to be the person who didn't draft Marino.
 
I am on the message board of this Steeler fan site (where he shows old games), and they had a thread about this:

http://s675307413.onlinehome.us/showthread.php?tid=152

On that thread, I found this post:

Quote from Crash "Art Jr. always tries to blame Noll.

Marino worked out for Noll, and Noll wanted him.

ART JR. was the one who said they had Bradshaw for at least three more years.

This was in Inside Sports ONE YEAR, after the draft."Quote

I guess that the blame was passed, since nobody wants to be the person who didn't draft Marino.
So the steelers didn't wanted him but worked him anyway, so yeah they never wanted him and regreted it
 
After Cleveland got its team back in 1999, the NFL practically begged an LA group or owner to get an expansion team to Los Angeles. No bid worked out, and the 32nd franchise fell to Houston and became the Texans.

What if someone brought a team to LA for the 2002 expansion? Would they get a bland team name like the Stars or something cool? Would they just be slotted into the NFC West, with the Seahawks staying in the AFC and the Chiefs getting shoved into the South? Could the new LA team compete or would it be an also-ran forever and all but forgotten in LA?

What about the Rams and Chargers, who moved to LA OTL? And would a team move to Houston, perhaps the Saints post-Katrina?
 
What about the Rams and Chargers, who moved to LA OTL? And would a team move to Houston, perhaps the Saints post-Katrina?
Nah Saints were never to move, if anything, Kroenke move the team to Houston to a late build Reliant/NRG, and Spanos will do something stupid

Maybe the cardinals move to Houston/LA? we were very close not to get Cardinals Stadium in glendale in 2000, some butterflies would make move just in time the larry-warner era
 
Nah Saints were never to move, if anything, Kroenke move the team to Houston to a late build Reliant/NRG, and Spanos will do something stupid

Maybe the cardinals move to Houston/LA? we were very close not to get Cardinals Stadium in glendale in 2000, some butterflies would make move just in time the larry-warner era
Kroenke heading to Houston is a distinct possibility if the Saints stay in NOLA (which maaaaaaaybe would have happened, though it’s a strong possibility that the Saints playing in Houston instead of Baton Rouge or San Antonio would have fired up the local fans to get a team.) If the Cards got their stadium in 2000, they probably stick around.

Outside shot - the owners decide to grant Houston an expansion team anyway, making the league 33 teams. That won’t stand - what City gets number 34?
 
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