Sports What Ifs.

I doubt, Colombus barely keep the blue jackets and their lone playoff wins was the biggest boost...and other cities are still more popular
They’ll get a boost from the Buckeyes going down, but you may be right if it’s temporary. However, bear in mind that the NHL is run by a commissioner who’s widely regarded as being dumber than whale shit and fighting to preserve teams in markets that don’t support them, so Columbus might get to hang onto them anyway.
 
They’ll get a boost from the Buckeyes going down, but you may be right if it’s temporary. However, bear in mind that the NHL is run by a commissioner who’s widely regarded as being dumber than whale shit and fighting to preserve teams in markets that don’t support them, so Columbus might get to hang onto them anyway.
you're putting the cart before the horse, we dunno what will happen with Sandusky at all...just he is a criminal and a timebomb whatever he landed up(stay in PSU, goes to OSU, go to NEP or goes to a HS)
 
you're putting the cart before the horse, we dunno what will happen with Sandusky at all...just he is a criminal and a timebomb whatever he landed up(stay in PSU, goes to OSU, go to NEP or goes to a HS)
Fair enough; my hypothetical was predicated entirely on Sandusky being Earle Bruce’s replacement, being more successful than Cooper, and the scandal breaking out around when it did OTL with the university being complicit and the NCAA being willing to hand down the death penalty to a blue chip program. Torpedo even one of those things and we’re in the same boat we are now.
 
The NCAA didn't give it to PennState, and that wasn't totally a blue chip program, though; a very good school, but I don't think they had quite the history before Paterno. There would have to be a lot else going on for Ohio State to get it, I think.

We're assuming that that guy (don't even like typing his name) keeps his job for more than a few years; if he does poorly, after Paterno's excellent job, he might well get fired and go to Toledo or someplace anyway, maybe to the Pats. George may beat PItt in a close game for the '82 National Title game - Nebraska barely lost to Penn State OTL. If that happens, Nebraska stays #2 and plays...I don't know who in a bowl.

Or, Pitt wins, and Dan marino is picked earlier than he was, becasue he's had a chance to shine in the national spotlight.

Either way, Penn State was a unique situation, all they had was football in that town, while if an Ohio State had that happen, the first signs of trouble they'd be willing to look into it becasue they have other thigns, they have a very good basketball program even, and they probably don't' allow a coverup for as long.

Paterno was already a legend, if he leaves for the Patriots he probably does replace him, but the guy was insane, and a time bomb like that - while he could focus on the job of defensive coordinator - would have many more chances to slip up at head coach. He could even wind up going after a recruit's younger sibling (remember he'd have to do much more of the recruiting, too) and that recruit could end up not going to Penn State and blowing the whistle on him. If he doesn't just practice some medicine without a license and remove a piece of Sandusky's anatomy right there during the recruiting visit.

Although having him at Penn State till 1982 or so and then having that happen could be an interesting way to have that Grisham novel of a scandal start; as was noted earlier, it would probably end very clumsily, unlike OTL, with that guy as a head coach.

Yeah, that would be the best way (other than killing him off early as I did in The Selma Massacre) - have his first victim, due to butterflies, be such a kid and have him caught by the kid's older brother and parents, with a 270-pounder crushing him. (Wonder if @gap80 wants to consider that as an event in his Colonel Sanders timeline. Doesn't even have to actually be a victim, jsut real close, sort of like one episode of Diff-rent Strokes where one of Arnold's friends almost had it happen. Given some of the creative stuff gap80 has had in his TL already, with the Beatles being attacked and Governor Biaggi being a target of assassination, it would be fitting and he could probably write it well.)
 
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The NCAA didn't give it to PennState, and that wasn't totally a blue chip program, though; a very good school, but I don't think they had quite the history before Paterno. There would have to be a lot else going on for Ohio State to get it, I think.
Nice you hate Sandusky a lot, he and nassar should be hated more, fuck those guys, hope both rot in hell.

Yeah something have to be done, thanks for your pennies buddy
 
Yeah, that would be the best way (other than killing him off early as I did in The Selma Massacre) - have his first victim, due to butterflies, be such a kid and have him caught by the kid's older brother and parents, with a 270-pounder crushing him. (Wonder if @gap80 wants to consider that as an event in his Colonel Sanders timeline. Doesn't even have to actually be a victim, jsut real close, sort of like one episode of Diff-rent Strokes where one of Arnold's friends almost had it happen. Given some of the creative stuff gap80 has had in his TL already, with the Beatles being attacked and Governor Biaggi being a target of assassination, it would be fitting and he could probably write it well.)
In a sports timeline we had, I had someone shooting Sandusky in a Burger King bathroom (in State College or a nearby town) in 1986. Here's the storyline: The son goes to the bathroom. After 45 minutes, he hasn't come back. They check for him in the restroom, and find him being raped by Sandusky (who was watching him all along). The father pulls out a gun. Sandusky says "You know who I am". The dad says "I don't care" and shoots him to death.

Paterno is fired after an FBI investigation, arrests are made, and players transfer.
 
In a sports timeline we had, I had someone shooting Sandusky in a Burger King bathroom (in State College or a nearby town) in 1986. Here's the storyline: The son goes to the bathroom. After 45 minutes, he hasn't come back. They check for him in the restroom, and find him being raped by Sandusky (who was watching him all along). The father pulls out a gun. Sandusky says "You know who I am". The dad says "I don't care" and shoots him to death.

Paterno is fired after an FBI investigation, arrests are made, and players transfer.
And Nothing of value was loss...except the poor boy innocence...but even a extrajudicial death is too tame what Sandusky deserves at times(ditto Nassar)
 
Sunday 29th June. 1986. Azteca Stadium. Mexico. World Cup Quarter Final. England v Argentina.

The first half was goalless and it was Argentina who enjoyed more of the ball and were asking more questions in the attacking third however it was Peter Beardsley who had the best chance on 13 minutes following a slip from Nery Pumpido in Argentina's goal, but failed to take it.

The crucial moment came on 51 minutes when Maradona cut inside from the left and played a diagonal low pass to the edge of the area to teammate Jorge Valdano and continued his run in the hope of a one-two . Maradona's pass was played slightly behind Valdano and reached England's Steve Hodge, the left midfielder who had dropped back to defend. Hodge tried to hook the ball clear but miscued it. The ball looped off his foot and into the penalty area, toward Maradona, who had continued his run. England goalkeeper Peter Shilton came out of his goal to punch the ball clear. Maradona, despite being 8 inches shorter than the 6-foot-1 (1.85 m) Shilton, reached it first with his outside left hand. The ball bounced into the goal.

Tunisian referee Ali Bennaceur initially missed the blatant hand ball, perhaps his view was blocked by the bulk of Shilton, but hawk eyed Bulgarian linesman Bogdan Dochev spotted the foul, raised his flag and steadfastly refused to be cowed by the abuse received form the Argentinean players. His steadfast approach convinced the referee to overturn the goal and, controversially, send off the Argentinian genius Diego Maradona for a deliberate handball.

The game, played in oppressive midday heat, was eventually won by an 81st winner from Gary Lineker who scored his sixth goal of the tournament from a Barnes cross.

Just 3 days later England returned to the Azteca to face Belgium in the semi final. That game would be a comfortable 2-0 victory for England with goals from Lineker and Beardsley which set up a final on the 29th of June versus West Germany.


NOTE: It is worth noting that this change in history deletes one of the great world cup goals. The second goal of the quarter final, scored by the cheat Maradona to make it 2-0 to Argentina. Four minutes after the Hand of God goal came The Goal of the Century. Midfielder Héctor Enrique passed the ball to Maradona inside his own half. Maradona then began his 60-yard, 10-second dash towards the English goal, passing four English outfield players: Peter Beardsley, Peter Reid, Terry Butcher (twice) and Terry Fenwick. Maradona finished the move with a feint that left goalkeeper Peter Shilton on his bottom, before slotting the ball into the net to make the score 2–0 to Argentina. Bastard.
 
In a sports timeline we had, I had someone shooting Sandusky in a Burger King bathroom (in State College or a nearby town) in 1986. Here's the storyline: The son goes to the bathroom. After 45 minutes, he hasn't come back. They check for him in the restroom, and find him being raped by Sandusky (who was watching him all along). The father pulls out a gun. Sandusky says "You know who I am". The dad says "I don't care" and shoots him to death.

Paterno is fired after an FBI investigation, arrests are made, and players transfer.
Was it Dawg Pound Dynasty? The author also averted Columbine and Sandy Hook. Stand-up dude, that author.
 
Another one...

The Colts take John Elway at his word and take Eric Dickerson with the #1 pick.

I say the Rams (if the Oilers have dumped their #2 pick to the Rams without realizing Elway would be available at #2) take Elway and Elway signs with them.

How does this change the fortunes of the Rams going forward? Do they stay in L.A.?


I think that, if the Colts would have finally surrendered to Elway and decided not to take him the day before the draft or the day of the draft, they wouldn't have taken Eric because they had Curtis Dickey and Randy McMillan at RB. Ernie Accorsi did have a thought of taking Marino #1 overall, but that wouldn't have happened. Ultimately, I think that they would have traded the #1 pick to the Chargers for their fifth and 20th overall picks and DT Gary "Big Hands" Johnson. SD would have taken Elway and groomed him behind Fouts for a year or so. Then, the next three picks happen as they did in reality. As for the Colts, they take DE/OLB Billy Ray Smith at 5, and then they pull a shocker: They take Marino with the 20th overall pick. They also draft WR Henry Ellard in the second round to spice up the Colt WR attack. With more pieces put in place in the coming years, Marino has them in the Super Bowl by 1985.
But, if Pitt just decided to get rid of football, and Majors stayed at ISU, I don't know where Tony D would have went. Penn St. is a good possibility, however. If he did go there, JoePa's best bet would have been to redshirt him, and then he could play in 1977, where he would have made a big difference as a fifth-year senior. PSU was 11-1 that year, their lone loss being a close one to Kentucky. With Dorsett that year, They win that game, go undefeated, and set up a showdown with undefeated Texas in the Cotton Bowl. I think that they would have won that game.

The butterflies of that affect the NFL in 1977 as well. Dallas may not have gone to the SB and won if it weren't for Tony D. Maybe the Rams or the Vikes go, and Denver beats one of those teams. Then, for the 78 Draft, it would have been interesting as to where he may have gone. Barring another Cowboy trade, the Bucs had the #1 pick that year, but traded it to Houston, who took Campbell. After that, his best bets would have been to go to the Jets with the fourth overall pick, or the Bills with the fifth overall pick. With Tony, maybe one of those teams wins a SB in the early-80's.
But, if Pitt just decided to get rid of football, and Majors stayed at ISU, I don't know where Tony D would have went. Penn St. is a good possibility, however. If he did go there, JoePa's best bet would have been to redshirt him, and then he could play in 1977, where he would have made a big difference as a fifth-year senior. PSU was 11-1 that year, their lone loss being a close one to Kentucky. With Dorsett that year, They win that game, go undefeated, and set up a showdown with undefeated Texas in the Cotton Bowl. I think that they would have won that game.

The butterflies of that affect the NFL in 1977 as well. Dallas may not have gone to the SB and won if it weren't for Tony D. Maybe the Rams or the Vikes go, and Denver beats one of those teams. Then, for the 78 Draft, it would have been interesting as to where he may have gone. Barring another Cowboy trade, the Bucs had the #1 pick that year, but traded it to Houston, who took Campbell. After that, his best bets would have been to go to the Jets with the fourth overall pick, or the Bills with the fifth overall pick. With Tony, maybe one of those teams wins a SB in the early-80's.
The more intriguing question from this season is what if Miami isn't upset by the Patriots in the AFC Championship game?

I don't think the Bears win a second matchup with Miami, which means Marino not only gets his ring but does it a decade before Elway. That solidifies Marino as the greatest QB ever and probably gives Miami an offensive direction for the rest of Marino's career. Can you imagine a Miami team that must draft receivers to replace old ones and doesn't pass on guys like Moss and Boldin? Ouch.
I would love to see these turned into TLs! :)
 
What if Dan Marino was drafted by the Steelers?

Touchdown Steelers explored this, but it only reached 4 pages. The last post was in December 2014, and the author got banned in January 2019 for breaking the “no current politics outside of chat” rule.
 
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What if Dan Marino was drafted by the Steelers?

Touchdown Steelers explored this, but it only reached 4 pages. The last post was in December 2014, and the author got banned in January 2019 for breaking the “no current politics outside of chat” rule.
The trouble is that I don’t remember the Steelers being much of anything in the 1980s, so until the mid-90s, Marino doesn’t have much of a shot at a Super Bowl. I suppose he could have made a difference in SB30, the one they lost to the Cowboys; as I recall, the Cowboys capitalized on two huge mistakes by then-Steelers QB Neil O’Donnell, and if Marino could keep his nose clean, the Steelers could win.
 
The trouble is that I don’t remember the Steelers being much of anything in the 1980s, so until the mid-90s, Marino doesn’t have much of a shot at a Super Bowl. I suppose he could have made a difference in SB30, the one they lost to the Cowboys; as I recall, the Cowboys capitalized on two huge mistakes by then-Steelers QB Neil O’Donnell, and if Marino could keep his nose clean, the Steelers could win.
That why i think he have a shot in the jets, with the NYSE he have a golden chance a ring or two
 
It’s possible, though the Jets were pretty inconsistent in the 80s and 90s, so it would probably be a few good seasons.
I still remember a scenario.

Colts did take Elway Warning..and trade #1...for buffallo both 1st rounder and other picks...Elway is not thrilled but Wilson Convice him to play for buffalo as is not Colts. Without their favorite target, Broncos break the crystal...plan b seems was dan marino and they took him without second doubts..Miami did react..and trade for Jim Kelly was he is thriller to play in a tropical zone.

So Elway is on Buffalo, Marino in Denver and Kelly is on miami...how that play out?
 
I still remember a scenario.

Colts did take Elway Warning..and trade #1...for buffallo both 1st rounder and other picks...Elway is not thrilled but Wilson Convice him to play for buffalo as is not Colts. Without their favorite target, Broncos break the crystal...plan b seems was dan marino and they took him without second doubts..Miami did react..and trade for Jim Kelly was he is thriller to play in a tropical zone.

So Elway is on Buffalo, Marino in Denver and Kelly is on miami...how that play out?
I would definitely read a TL based on this!
 
I would definitely read a TL based on this!
Same here to be honest.

Also, was thinking about this earlier but... What if the NHA managed to not fall apart and the owners (except the idiot owner who caused this to happen) ousted him after he finally sell his team?

Sorry if the name escape me for the idiot owner and his Toronto based team. I honestly think the NHA would have a totally different path in the sports landscape.
 
The trouble is that I don’t remember the Steelers being much of anything in the 1980s, so until the mid-90s, Marino doesn’t have much of a shot at a Super Bowl. I suppose he could have made a difference in SB30, the one they lost to the Cowboys; as I recall, the Cowboys capitalized on two huge mistakes by then-Steelers QB Neil O’Donnell, and if Marino could keep his nose clean, the Steelers could win.
The Steelers have always been at the very least a decent team since the merger. They've never gone more than 4 years between playoff wins and have only finished with less than 6 wins once since 1970. There's a reason that Chuck Noll lasted into the 90's.

Honestly you probably don't have very far into the future to see the effects of Marino going to the Steelers. Marino actually faced Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship game for the 1984 season, you better believe that the Steelers team is going to be a lot better with 5,000 yard Marino instead of Mark Malone under center. I still don't Pittsburgh gets past the buzzsaw of the 49ers, but that's still a vast performance of what the Steelers did OTL. But I guess there's a question of if Marino would have been allowed to be unleashed like he was with Don Shula. If Noll isn't willing to stray away from the traditional pound the rock culture of the team, then I'm not sure how large of an improvement Marino would provide
 
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