Sports What Ifs.

Two Cleveland Indian Questions:

1. What if Herb Score isn't hit with a line drive in 1957, and he continues to be a great pitcher well into the 60's?

2. What if the Indians didn't hire trader Frank Lane as GM (the idiot who traded away Rocky Colavito)?

Do the Indians have that three-plus decade fall-off, or do they remain contenders in the 60's (and maybe the 70's)?
They may get another without Trader Dipshit but once the A’s take off another one is a tough sell. They may end up, fittingly, like the 1980s Browns - success but little to show for it.
 
Aside from all playing in the AFL, what do Johnny Robinson, John Hadl, Earl Faison, Pete Beatherd, Gerry Philben, Fred Biletnikoff, Jim Norton and Houston Antwine all have in common?



They were all drafted by the Detroit Lions.

If the AFL never existed, would this crew have a chance to overtake the Packers and be the team of the 1960's in the NFL, especially joining a team that already had Alex Karras, Roger Brown, Joe Schmidt, Wayne Walker, Yale Larry and Night Train Lane?
The fact that these players were known to be considering the AFL hurt their draft stock, so it's very likely that without the AFL the players would go higher than they did in the NFL Draft OTL.

Another thing to consider is that the success of the Lions may not allow them to draft the same players. If you give them some of the older players like Robinson and Norton, they'll probably be better than they were OTL and thus pick later in the draft. They won't be able to pick some of the younger players of this list.

Even if the Lions can accumulate all this talent, idk of they can top the 60's Packers. Even this distinguished corps of players contain less Hall of Famers than Lombardi's Packers, they were so fucking good
 
I believe that this has been stated before, but never answered. So, revisiting my Saints:

WI Philips elects to trade the #1 pick to Dallas in exchange for QB Glenn Carano, WR Drew Pearson, and RB Tony Dorsett?
 
I believe that this has been stated before, but never answered. So, revisiting my Saints:

WI Philips elects to trade the #1 pick to Dallas in exchange for QB Glenn Carano, WR Drew Pearson, and RB Tony Dorsett?
That’s a hell of an offense. Archie Manning May set the bar higher for his kids, but a title might be a tall order.
 
That’s a hell of an offense. Archie Manning May set the bar higher for his kids, but a title might be a tall order.
1981. The actual trade proposal was Dallas's first rounder (26th overall), LB Guy Brown, RB Ron Springs, and DE Larry Bethea for the #1 overall pick and a chance at LT:

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Board/103172/Contents/The-behind-the-scene-story-of-how-LT-was-drafted-53568212/
In that way a manning is out as OTL, they just picked his sucessor(even if mediocre) and allow dallas a nice DE...that might be wasted when the team collapse in the 80's. The rest would be a rare win-win trade but both teams not got very well later on
 
Two Cleveland Indian Questions:

1. What if Herb Score isn't hit with a line drive in 1957, and he continues to be a great pitcher well into the 60's?

2. What if the Indians didn't hire trader Frank Lane as GM (the idiot who traded away Rocky Colavito)?

Do the Indians have that three-plus decade fall-off, or do they remain contenders in the 60's (and maybe the 70's)?
The Hardball Times had a series called "Virtual Teams." Three dealt with the Indians.

1. What if the 1954 Tribe, winners of 111 games, hadn't traded away Minnie Minoso, Mickey Vernon, Ray Boone and Sherm Lollar?

https://tht.fangraphs.com/the-virtual-1954-cleveland-indians-part-one/

https://tht.fangraphs.com/the-virtual-1954-cleveland-indians-part-two/

2. What if the 1961 Indians didn't trade Roger Maris, Norm Cash, Rocky Colavito, and several others?

https://tht.fangraphs.com/the-virtual-1961-cleveland-indians-part-1/

https://tht.fangraphs.com/the-virtual-1961-cleveland-indians-part-2/

3. What if, even if they traded Maris, they kept Cash and the Rock?

4. What if in the 1970s they didn't trade Graig Nettles, Gaylord Perry, Luis Tiant, et al?

(several links)
 
Would the Saints benefit from that trade had they accepted Dallas's OTL offer?
LB Guy Brown wasn't that great, DE Larry Bethea was a bust, and RB Ron Springs, while a solid player, was more of a backup.

With the 26th overall pick, they probably take CB Russell Gary (who they drafted early in Round 2 in OTL), and then they probably draft Missouri RB James Wilder with their first second-rounder (29th overall). So, not much difference (except they get Wilder as their workhorse rather than Rogers. He would be an upgrade).
 
A little evil one but...what if Archie Manning never have childrens or all three were girls ? ( Or just peyton and Eli?)
Ryan Leaf goes to the Colts, the Colts go to shit, Irsay moves the team to LA. Also the Chargers draft Philip Rivers and the Patriots go 19-0 because whoever QBs the Giants doesn’t get the job done.
 
Ryan Leaf goes to the Colts, the Colts go to shit, Irsay moves the team to LA. Also the Chargers draft Philip Rivers and the Patriots go 19-0 because whoever QBs the Giants doesn’t get the job done.
The guy would be'check notes' Captain Fat Fuck leader of men...YEAH. Seriously as before the Pats Might be 8-2 in superbowl with only losses vs BDN and maybe CAM...that is 9-1
 
Read Kramers instant replay. When discussing the run-up to the 1968 Afl-NFL Champoinship game as it was then known (leading some to say the Packers never won a SuperBowl until the Favre era, mostly Bears fans) he remarks on just how much the execution of the Raiders was versus the Chiefs. He may not say it as many words but basically he calls the Chiefs
"Stumblebums". Also the Chiefs had Mike Garret, a back while not quite Sayers equal was pretty damn good. For all the good it did them. Individually the Chiefs did not look bad against Green Bay. But as a "team" it was no contest.
As a Packer fan I am of the opinion (for what that is worth) that the Chiefs never could have beaten the '66 Packers. That was a superb team. The '67 Packers on the other hand were running on fumes (three consecutive NFL Championships is all anyone can ever expect; the Packer slipped to last place the very next season). The '67 Packers were a patched together team having to pull running backs out of the scrub league mid season, but Oakland (Super Bowl II) was a dominate AFL team, with only one lose (I believe; which they avenged; need to look that up) and then they folded under the pressure of the Super Bowl. I think, man to man that Oakland team was actually a better team than the '67 Packers. Also the Packers, by CW should have left what they had left in them in '67 on the field in the Ice Bowl. I repeat I think Oakland folded under pressure; the Chiefs never really had a chance in Super Bowl I. IMHO
 
As a Packer fan I am of the opinion (for what that is worth) that the Chiefs never could have beaten the '66 Packers. That was a superb team. The '67 Packers on the other hand were running on fumes (three consecutive NFL Championships is all anyone can ever expect; the Packer slipped to last place the very next season). The '67 Packers were a patched together team having to pull running backs out of the scrub league mid season, but Oakland (Super Bowl II) was a dominate AFL team, with only one lose (I believe; which they avenged; need to look that up) and then they folded under the pressure of the Super Bowl. I think, man to man that Oakland team was actually a better team than the '67 Packers. Also the Packers, by CW should have left what they had left in them in '67 on the field in the Ice Bowl. I repeat I think Oakland folded under pressure; the Chiefs never really had a chance in Super Bowl I. IMHO
The 67 Pack was saved by a freak cold front in the NFL Title Game. If the weather was what they thought it was going to be (with a cold front maybe coming through Sunday night), I think Dallas wins that game by 10.

And, if they win the SB, that probably means that Dandy Don doesn't retire two years later (which means that Morton may have went to another team sooner, or Staubach would have been the one to go).
 
The guy would be'check notes' Captain Fat Fuck leader of men...YEAH. Seriously as before the Pats Might be 8-2 in superbowl with only losses vs BDN and maybe CAM...that is 9-1
Well shit. Not a universe I want to live in.

Unless there are enough butterflies to ship Brady somewhere else. The 49ers are a good option.
 
Well shit. Not a universe I want to live in.

Unless there are enough butterflies to ship Brady somewhere else. The 49ers are a good option.
Brady would die in 49ers...take till Jim to straight ship and Alex Smith never lived his potential thanks that mess of franchise.
 
Brady would die in 49ers...take till Jim to straight ship and Alex Smith never lived his potential thanks that mess of franchise.
True but it probably throws the Pats into chaos just in time to fuck up the 2007 season. I can’t imagine Bledsoe sticking around that long at anything close to full strength, and some rookie or stand-in won’t do the job at that level no matter how shitty the rest of the division is.
 
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