Sports What Ifs.

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Dave, Nov 7, 2006.

  1. AnonymousSauce The 7 Deadly Butterflies of Shaolin

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    Honestly, that probably wouldn't even be necessary... Mike McCarthy was our OC back then, he could have done an adequate enough job grooming Brady and fitting the system around his talents for sure.

    If that happened, it's entirely possible we could have won Bowls in 2000 and 2002... we were 7-3 when Blake went down in '00 with one of the best defenses in the league, and Brooks came in and went .500 the rest of the way which is what he did for the rest of his career until the Katrina season. You put Brady on that squad and they could have beaten the Vikes, Giants, and possibly the Ravens although that D was ferocious and may have given Brady fits. Then, in '02 we were 9-4 having already swept the eventual champion Bucs when Brooks suffered a shoulder injury that hampered his play for the rest of the year and led to a season-ending 3game losing streak. If we went 12-4 that year we would have been the second seed and eventually gone to Philly for the NFC championship... the same team that lost in that round the times in a row. I think we could have taken them and the Raiders in the SB for sure.
     
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    No Brady in AFC meaning gruden stay on the Raiders and with gruden a loss is possible, but 2000 is a Nice season and pausable to win as your team stopped the GOTS that year So yeah could work very well for Saints
     
  3. Colonel Zoidberg Well-Known Member

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    Is there any possible way to keep the Dodgers and Giants in NYC? The Dodgers could have gotten their dome, but the Giants are a tougher sell.
     
  4. Nivek Resident Videogame Expert

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    Polo Ground becoming a full fledge Stadium? the Giants would get ITTL Shea instead
     
  5. Colonel Zoidberg Well-Known Member

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    Probably. That would make sense if they could hold out long enough for it to happen. And if the Dodgers and Giants stay in NYC, there are two possibilities - someone else makes the leap, probably as a pair, or the PCL gets in on MLB.
     
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    This would be better, THE PCL already was a AAAAA league but the dual move killed their momentum and help a lot both sides
     
  7. Colonel Zoidberg Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. Would they work better as a third league with a fourth one added or integrated into the AL and NL?
     
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    The idea full fledge would Work as we can add a league wide wild card early and if a southern league develop would be 4 or 6 playoffs spots, but integrated Work easier too
     
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    Just went through some articles. Reportedly, apart from Haslett, the other two coaches that went for interviews with the GM were Art Shell (former Raiders coach) and Gary Kubiak (the future HC of the Denver Broncos). Just some ideas to spit ball and see if they can help Brady in the start. Otherwise, I do agree that McCarthy may be a fit for Brady.

    I do recall reading a TL where the Giants still moved, but ended up on the other side of the Hudson. And, while I have heard the PCL and MBL joining the majors for a four-leagued MLB, that may be the most likely (unless you can "Save the A's" the Giants via a public effort).
     
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  10. ejpsan Well-Known Member

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    The Giants were out the door and on their way to Minnesota where their Triple-A team was, as for the Dodgers you have to butterfly away Robert Moses who was planning for the Dodgers to move in a new stadium at Flushing Meadows the Queens.
    For the Giants to stay you would have someone who could have been a better owner than Horace Stoneham who somehow kept making the wrong decisions, as an example when he moved the team to San Francisco he wanted the stadium in China Basin but the Mayor showed him a piece of unused land at Candlestick Point in February when the weather is nice, what he didn't know that from April to August Candlestick Point it gets cold, windy, and foggy.
    One time I went to a doubleheader in August and it was 80 degrees outside the stadium and I nearly froze my rear off, there was a hot dog sealer that was circling the the stadium from the fifth inning of the first game to the third inning of the second game.
     
  11. Colonel Zoidberg Well-Known Member

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    The idea of four leagues would work best. If the AL and NL are restricted to east of the Rockies and north of, say, DC, while the Southern League gets the old CSA and the PCL gets the Rockies and west. This would necessarily avert MLB expansion in the early 60s beyond creating the Southern League, so assuming that the PCL rebounds and the Dodgers and Giants stay East (Stoneham sells the Giants and they end up in Shea; new Ebbets gets built) then come 1961 I see it a little like this:

    AL
    Baltimore Orioles
    Boston Red Sox
    Chicago White Sox
    Cleveland Indians
    Detroit Tigers
    Kansas City Athletics
    Minnesota Twins
    New York Yankees

    NL
    Brooklyn Dodgers
    Chicago Cubs
    Cincinnati Reds
    Milwaukee Braves
    New York Giants
    Philadelphia Phillies
    Pittsburgh Pirates
    St. Louis Cardinals

    Southern
    Atlanta Firecrackers
    Charlotte Knights
    Houston Astros
    Miami Marlins
    Nashville Sounds
    New Orleans Pelicans
    Texas Rangers
    Washington Senators

    PCL
    Hollywood Stars
    Los Angeles Angels
    Portland Beavers
    Sacramento Solons
    San Diego Padres
    San Francisco Seals
    Seattle Rainiers
    Vancouver Mounties
     
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  13. Colonel Zoidberg Well-Known Member

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    Bear in mind that the Blue Jays and Expos weren’t added until later and I proposed that as an early 60s measure. For each league, there’s likely expansion to 12 teams apiece and natural rivals for a lot of teams (OKC probably gets a team, SLC and Denver get them for the PCL, Memphis gets one...coming up with eight for the northeast and Great Lakes May be tricky but doable.)

    Bear in mind Charlie Finley didn’t want to stay in KC and is probably on the move again, though not sure where if he’s boxed in. Same with the Braves, and places like Indy, Buffalo, Louisville and possibly Columbus are potential big league cities. And there’s probably some geographic encroachment with expansion once the northeast runs out of cities. At most, I could come up with 48 big league teams across four leagues and a hell of a time writing the schedule.
     
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  14. ejpsan Well-Known Member

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    For the Four League concept to work you are going to have a shared television network split of the money because the American and National Leagues have the bigger television markets.
     
  15. Colonel Zoidberg Well-Known Member

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    Probably sooner interleague play as well, since the PCL will need to prove itself head-to-Head in more than just the World Series.
     
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    With the PCL interleague become a must earlier, even if limited to PCL VS old MLB before being everyone vs everyone later on. need to showcase teams and talent too
     
  17. Colonel Zoidberg Well-Known Member

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    Given that the 154-game schedule still makes mathematical sense in this scenario (in theory,) I wonder how it would work. I’m picturing that the PCL (and probably the Southern League) get split in half geographically in a way that makes sense. So one year the AL would play, say, the PCL, with every team taking a two-week trip to the West Coast. Half the AL goes to San Diego, LA and San Francisco while the other half goes to Sacramento all the way up to Vancouver. Then later the PCL heads easy and plays the teams they didn’t play at home. One could even split the AL in half geographically as well for the same purpose.

    So the Yankees, for one, could go west and play the Padres, Stars, Angels and Seals, and then head back east and play the Solons, Beavers, Rainiers and Mounties at home a couple of weeks later. Then the next year they do the same with the Southern League while the NL takes the PCL, with a guarantee of each team playing everyone every other year and going to each ballpark once every four years.

    After about two such rotations, the AL and NL can play each other like this, when fans finally chomp at the bit for intra-city matchups such as Yankees-Dodgers, Yankees-Giants, White Sox-Cubs, and to a lesser extent Indians-Reds, Cardinals-Athletics, and Twins-Braves.

    The prelude to the World Series would consist of the leagues that played each other in the regular season squaring off, so if the AL played the PCL, we may see the Yankees go toe-to-toe with the San Francisco Seals with the winner advancing to the World Series to play either the Cardinals or the Charlotte Knights.
     
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  18. AltSptHst Well-Known Member

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    Actually, by 1992, there was a rumor involving Young going to the Raiders for Tim Brown (and maybe the Raiders' first round pick in 1992 as well).
     
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  19. OldNavy1988 Well-Known Member

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    Just running a plausibility check on this alignment:

    MLB
    AL:
    Baltimore Orioles
    Boston Red Sox
    Chicago White Sox
    Cleveland Indians
    Detroit Tigers
    New York Yankees
    Philadelphia Athletics
    Texas Rangers

    NL:
    Brooklyn Dodgers
    Chicago Cubs
    Cincinnati Red Legs
    Kansas City Monarchs
    Milwaukee Braves
    Minnesota Twins
    Pittsburgh Pirates
    St Louis Cardinals

    PCL:
    Hollywood Stars
    Los Angeles Angels
    Oakland Oaks
    Portland Beavers
    San Diego Padres
    San Francisco Seals
    Sacramento Solons
    Seattle Rainiers

    AL/NL Expansion:
    Houston Colt 45's/Astros
    Washington Grays
    Atlanta Thrashers (or Milwaukee Brewers)
    Montreal Expos
     
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  20. AnonymousSauce The 7 Deadly Butterflies of Shaolin

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    I doubt that if the Giants moved to Minnesota that they would change their name, especially if Horace Stoneham still owned them. They'd probably be named the Minneapolis Giants.