Spanish Commonwealth ?

What if instead of exploding after independance wars, the Spanish Empire worked in a Commonwealth style ? At least part of it, and which part are the most likely to accept the deal ?
 

althisfan

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I don't think it would be too hard considering even with the explosion in OTL there is the Organization of Ibero-American States headquartered in Madrid, Spain (famous for the annual meetings of heads of state, the 2009 one in which the King of Spain said "Por que no te callas?" to Chavez is the most famous)
 
What if instead of exploding after independance wars, the Spanish Empire worked in a Commonwealth style ? At least part of it, and which part are the most likely to accept the deal ?

Well the most obvious parts to accept the Deal are Cuba, Peru(that is peru and bolivia), Centro america Withg Little Fuss, it´s Possibly that Mexico And Gran Colombia Will accept this deal too, but with a series of concessions, about self governance and stop of imposition of Peninsula Born Spanish, that will have to give the Crown to the Territories, if not is probable we will get a revolution.

The viceroyalty of Rio de la Plata and Capitania General de Chile Will not accept the deal ,as they feel completely abandoned and misused by the Spanish Empire and relegated to little more than Fortified post
 
What if instead of exploding after independance wars, the Spanish Empire worked in a Commonwealth style ? At least part of it, and which part are the most likely to accept the deal ?

I'm pretty sure this was one of the options on the table during their various wars for independence. I'll have to re-listen to the relevant episodes in the Revolutions podcast to double check this, though.
 

althisfan

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I'm pretty sure this was one of the options on the table during their various wars for independence. I'll have to re-listen to the relevant episodes in the Revolutions podcast to double check this, though.
I would love to see a more reliable source, it seems doubtful since this Spanish idea would pre-date the British Commonwealth by over 100 years. Seems strange the Spanish would spontaneously come up with this idea when there was no precedence in the entire world for such a thing, whereas the British slowly evolved into the idea over a century of devolving powers and self-governance to colonies, then dominions.
 

Lusitania

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For this to happen you need a POD before 1800 and have someone else other than Ferdinand as king during the independence movement. No way he would go along with it. Heck if could not accept the Cadiz constitution what makes us think he would share power with some colonists.

No best would be for Spanish king and maybe many nobles escape Napoleon like the king of Portugal (they tried but got captured) then in new world gain an appreciation of the people and land. When he returns to Spain sets up a “commonwealth”

Otherwise you can just read my TL and see how the Portuguese do it.
 
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I would love to see a more reliable source, it seems doubtful since this Spanish idea would pre-date the British Commonwealth by over 100 years. Seems strange the Spanish would spontaneously come up with this idea when there was no precedence in the entire world for such a thing, whereas the British slowly evolved into the idea over a century of devolving powers and self-governance to colonies, then dominions.

How dare you question the all-knowing Mike Duncan!? Seriously, though, he does his homework. IIRC, Here were plenty of competing rebel groups, and some of them maintained they were loyal to the crown.
 

althisfan

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How dare you question the all-knowing Mike Duncan!? Seriously, though, he does his homework. IIRC, Here were plenty of competing rebel groups, and some of them maintained they were loyal to the crown.
I have his website as one of my favorites and saved to the toolbar on my Google Chrome, I'm not saying he's horrible, he's better than the majority of what you can find elsewhere, especially Youtube, he's just not what I would call a "reliable source" in the manner of using as a reference for citation in a peer review paper, dissertation, even Wikipedia. And I'm not saying that there weren't groups that would have liked something along the lines of autonomy within the Crown (OTL equivalence- Jersey or Isle of Man in relation to the UK?) but independence with simply a dynastic union (or personal union less likely) I'm not sure if that had ever happened in the world. Usually, if a nation was created from another, sometimes a younger son, cousin, etc would be chosen to rule it (or a local noble, or a lesser branch of some neutral noble family); I just dont know if Spanish in Europe or Spanish Americans, or any Western people, would have thought it was possible that a nation could be formed and have the same royal family, but that family would have no powers (or limited based on distance/communication at that time period) as the mother country. I can hear the King of Spain- "You're saying I'm the King of Mexico, but I get to do nothing? Why don't you shut up, I think I'll keep fighting to keep them Spanish". It took the much more geopolitically liberal British until 1932 to do the Statute of Westminister and get to that idea; and it was a long slow process of evolution. We're just in my opinion talking about a big leap for the Spanish and their American colonies to come up with this idea; though if someone here can show me how this idea may be portrayed as being taken from the Holy Roman Empire (The larger of the new American nations along with Spain get to be "electors" and the Spanish King gets a fancy Imperial title putting him on par with the HRE Emperor?) then I would consider this a logical and potential development. But a Spanish version of the British Commonwealth? In my opinion ASB.
 

althisfan

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