Spain and Turkey enter WWII

i'm not suggesting this i'm suggesting that spain could cut off gibraltar on its own and hold it long enough for the rest of the axis to cement their control over the remaining allied areas in the med. like egypt, greece, turkey.

I think you are vastly over stating the position of Gibraltar. The UK already sent the troop convoys around Africa rather than take them through the Med unless there was a dire need for them. The forces would still go around and deploy into Egypt.

Another point is that if Germany is supporting Spain with tanks, planes etc then would they have the spares to bail out the Italians in Greece without affecting Barbarossa?

With the UK bases in Egypt still the fleet still has enough strength to engage the Italians.
 
this could also mean that they could have entered with the axis because they want revenge and to regain their empire.

Which is something that they've never shown much interest in, in OTL. Again I have to wonder other than being a thought exercise what is going to shift the nations from the OTL positions to the point of getting involved directly in the war.

Given the OP of 42 I just don't see it, and before that it comes down to butterflies all round which makes things difficult to fact in.
 
I think you are vastly over stating the position of Gibraltar. The UK already sent the troop convoys around Africa rather than take them through the Med unless there was a dire need for them. The forces would still go around and deploy into Egypt.

Another point is that if Germany is supporting Spain with tanks, planes etc then would they have the spares to bail out the Italians in Greece without affecting Barbarossa?

With the UK bases in Egypt still the fleet still has enough strength to engage the Italians.

There are many
i was actually thinking of having the axis focusing all operations on the med. and north africa to make it into the axis lake that they wanted. so without Barbarossa they would have enough armor to reinforce to italians and spaniards while keeping the agreement with russia for that time.
 
An example of that might be the number of nations that joined the Allies after it became clear that they were going to be the victors.

What would Spain and Turkey hope to gain for taking the risk of war with the UK and later the US? Turkey would surely remember the fate of the Ottomans for getting involved in the First World War.

True, but circumstances are different, very different indeed. But i still can't see it happening.

this could also mean that they could have entered with the axis because they want revenge and to regain their empire.

They actually didn't want to. Well, the ones ruling didn't want to, as they knew the costs.
 
i was actually thinking of having the axis focusing all operations on the med. and north africa to make it into the axis lake that they wanted. so without Barbarossa they would have enough armor to reinforce to italians and spaniards while keeping the agreement with russia for that time.

That requires massive changes to Hitler and the Reich that far surpass the idea of Spain and Turkey getting into the war. I wonder if that could be done without changing the whole lead up to the war.
 
That requires massive changes to Hitler and the Reich that far surpass the idea of Spain and Turkey getting into the war. I wonder if that could be done without changing the whole lead up to the war.
i'm trying to work on doing that, i still don't know how i can do it but i'll share it when i come up with it.
 
Which is one of my points, Germany would have to invest a fair amount of equipment, supplies and support into Spain to allow them to take Gibraltar and defend themselves against the British counter actions. Which impacts on their deployments and operations.

For example would they try and use the German Airborne forces against Gib, what would be their losses, how would that impact Crete is just one thing. I've already mentioned the potential knock ons from shifting Luftwaffe Assets.

In OTL Franco didn't go for this, what are you suggesting would change his mind in the situation?

I recognize that Germany might overextend their operations if they include Spain, but I was debating with deh74 whether or not the Spanish are less useless than the Italians.

In this TL, Hitler somehow gets Franco to realize that a possible Allied victory can very well mean an end to Fascist Spain.

But their effect depends on what they're trying to gain once they've entered, and that speaks to their incentives for joining. The effect of a country joining the war just for an easy slice of victory pie might be different from that of a country seeking a position of real power in the post-war world, for example. So it's fair for posters to expect a more concrete pod, I think.

I know, I know. I gave a reason to their incentives, but the problem was that I didn't want to go too much into detail about their incentives. I'm more concerned about Spain and Turkey's effect on the war.
 
I recognize that Germany might overextend their operations if they include Spain, but I was debating with deh74 whether or not the Spanish are less useless than the Italians.

In this TL, Hitler somehow gets Franco to realize that a possible Allied victory can very well mean an end to Fascist Spain.

I wouldn't say that either nation was or would be useless, but the fact is the size and scale of forces would favour the Italians, they would have a wider operational basis, a larger industrial base and a greater population level.

Now you could freely argue that the leadership of Italy both politically and militarily was worse but given the differences in the battles that they fought I'm not sure that you could compare like for like.
 
or you can look at it this way, facist spain won their war and facist italy lost theirs. JK

facist Spain won a Civil war, Italy lost in a World War. Trying to suggest that they are equal is just silly in my opinion. The numbers, economics and measures of one is completely different to the other.

How large a force did Nationalist Spain ever deploy outside of Spain for a full scale war with another nation of equal military strength?
 
One division, as far as I know. Some 18,100 men at any given time, if Wiki is accurate.

Which is a significantly smaller size than Italy deployed outside of the mainland, that would suggest to me a difference in capabilities, intentions, and training to support a much larger expeditionary force.
 
facist Spain won a Civil war, Italy lost in a World War. Trying to suggest that they are equal is just silly in my opinion. The numbers, economics and measures of one is completely different to the other.

How large a force did Nationalist Spain ever deploy outside of Spain for a full scale war with another nation of equal military strength?
i was joking i understand the differences between a conflict in a not to important country in the iberian penninsula and the bloodiest war this world has ever seen and will hopefully never see again. iow a VERY, VERY big difference.
 
2 years later and I finally post in this subsection!

So, my question is how would WWII be altered if Spain and Turkey join in?

It matters a great deal how, when, and on which side.

Spain presumably joins the Axis around 1942 during Operation Torch
Extremely unlikely if Franco is in charge. He put an impossible price on Spain's joining the Axis in 1940, at the zenith of German power. By 1942, Germany was in a lot of trouble and the U.S. was in the war. It would be suicide for Spain to enter the war then.

(or anytime before)
1940 is barely possible. Franco said he was willing, for the right price. But the price he set (in terms of fuel, food, and military aid) was more than Hitler would (or perhaps could) pay. Opinion is divided between those who think Franco deliberately highballed the price to insure that Hitler could not meet it, and those that think Franco simply overestimated Spain's value to the Axis.

But let's say that Hitler decides to be tricky. He agrees to give Franco what he demands, and gets his agreement to enter the war in writing and before witnesses. Germany can't actually deliver all the stuff, but he'll work that out later, after the victory. The important thing is to get Francho in too deep to back out.

What about Turkey?

First, continue the 1940 narrative. Hitler returns from the meeting with Franco (which was 23 October), and summons Mussolini to a meeting, where he informs him of Spain's coming entry. Hitler says Italy's resources (especially the Navy) will be needed to support Spain and attack Britain in the Atlantic.

Mussolini decides to scrap his invasion of Greece.

On November 20, Spain declares war. Britain's reaction is prepared, as ULTRA gave substantial warning. Gibraltar cannot be saved; that is, while the garrison can hold out in the Rock, the naval base, airbase, and gun batteries are all wiped out within two weeks. However, a British task force seizes the Canary Islands before German airpower can base there.

The Canaries become the anchor of British naval and air power in the region, and help limit Axis attacks into the Atlantic. These attacks are more dangerous than OTL, because they start further west, from bases the British cannot blockade - around Cadiz and south of Cape Finistere.

The German battlecruisers Scharnhorst and Gneisenau reach Spain after a raiding cruise. They are joined by some of the fast Italian battleships; there is now a serious threat to any British convoy without at least two battleships for protection. The threat is neutralized for a while by a carrier raid on Cadiz in January 1941, but the loss of Furious and Hermes to U-boats (while escorting convoys) cripples the Royal Navy.

Meanwhile, however, the British army in Egypt attacks Italian forces in Egypt and eastern Libya, winning a complete victory. Hitler responds to the British success by sending some German motorized forces to assist the Italians, under the command of Hermann Hoth, who had been a successful corps commander in France.

** NOTE: This is a butterfly effect. Hitler could have picked many capable officers who were senior to Rommel for the African command. Instead, he happened to pick a relatively junior officer, who turned out to be the best possible choice for the assignment. Hoth was good, but not as bold as Rommel (who was?), and IMO, without Rommel's boldness, the Allies would win the campaign fairly quickly. **

Hoth reaches Africa in February 1941, but waits six weeks for his forces to arrive before attacking the British in Libya. OTL the British have not sent any forces to Greece, and this more than makes up for the reduced shipments around Africa. Hoth's March attack, initially successful, runs out of steam south of Benghazi. British forces under O'Connor push Hoth back to El Agheila in early April.

With no Axis successes in Africa or the Balkans, the Middle East remains quiet. British forces concentrated in Libya attack west in early May; British naval and air forces sink so many Axis supply ships that Hoth's forces collapse and Tripoli falls on 7 June.

All this has had an effect on the thinking of Stalin. He has dismissed all reports of German plans to invade the USSR in 1941 as British provocations. Britain wants to draw the USSR into the war on its side. But he starts to think: if Hitler is not planning to attack the USSR, where is the Wehrmacht? Soviet intelligence reports that most of the Axis troops in Spain are Italian, not German. Very few Germans were sent to Africa. Hitler apparently let Libya fall, rather than send more troops, even though he should have immense reserves sitting idle.

Hitler must be planning something big. It can't be the invasion of Britain, because the RAF has won the Battle of Britain, and Axis surface ships are staying far away from the Channel. It must be the invasion of the USSR. Once he comes to this conclusion, the reports of German deployments in the east become entirely plausible.

On 12 June, Stalin reverses his standing orders of the previous four months. All Soviet forces in the Military Frontiers are to go on alert. Tanks and aircraft are deployed for quick reaction to any attack; fuel supplies are prepped for quick use or quick demolition. Infantry dig trenches and build blockhouses and bunkers; artillery batteries register targets. Thousands of non-combatants are evacuated to the east.

These preparations are still in progress when Axis armies storm across the border from the Baltic to the Black Sea. Soviet resistance is strong, but German skill is better. In fierce battles lasting about two weeks, the Axis forces smash up the Soviet front line and begin to drive east. By the end of July, Soviet forces have lost over a million men killed, wounded, or captured. Axis forces have advanced over 200 kilometers, and are threatening Riga, Smolensk, Kiev, and Odessa. But Axis casualties are mounting too: almost 250,000 men, and thousands of tanks, trucks, and aircraft.

German forces win local victories and take Kiev and Riga in August, but fail in the center against intense Soviet counterattacks. Hitler orders all the panzer forces concentrated in the center for an all out drive on Moscow in September. The Germans win a major victory, taking over 400,000 prisoners and reaching Vyazma before the fall rains set in and mud stops all movement in October.

With Soviet losses exceeding two million men, and German forces only 300 km from Moscow, Hitler proclaims the campaign a complete success. But this is whistling past the graveyard - the USSR was supposed to be completely destroyed, and that's not even close.

When the ground freezes in November, Soviet troops attack the German salient west of Moscow on three sides, expecting to destroy Army Group Center. This proves to be a bit premature. While some German positions are overrun, German skill takes a huge toll of the attackers. Whole Soviet corps and armies are ambushed, cut off, and destroyed. The Soviets lose nearly a million more troops, while driving the Germans back only halfway to Smolensk. Still, Axis losses now are approaching a million men.

When the 1942 spring thaw sets in, the front runs from the Gulf of Riga to east of Smolensk, then south to the Dnieper below Kiev, and along the Dnieper to the Black Sea.

** NOTE: the ATL front is well west of the OTL front at this time. Soviet losses are huge - but only half of OTL's, while Axis losses are double. **

and Turkey joins the Allies around 1942 during Case Blue.
It's now time for Case BLUE, the 1942 summer offensive into Ukraine and Caucasus. However, conditions are substantially different from OTL. They have to be different, because otherwise Turkey would not enter the war.
With Bulgaria and Greece neutral, Turkey is in little danger of Axis invasion. Italy could attack from the Dodecanese, but no one is much afraid of Italy at this point.

How significant will the change be?
In this TL, Turkey's accession to the Allies means that Britiish ships can enter the Black Sea, and sweep it of Axis ships. Then Allied freighters can bring Lend Lease aid directly to Soviet Black Sea ports for immediate delivery to the front line (instead of landing at Abadan in the Persian Gulf for overland transport through Iran, the Caucasus, and southern Russia).

Before that can happen, the Italians in the Dodecanese must be dealt with.

What else has been going on? The Battle of the Atlantic has been very rough for Britain, even rougher than OTL. In one very ugly action in June, the old battleship Ramillies was sunk by Scharnhorst, Gneisenau, and Caio Duilio, after which the 30 ship convoy she was protecting was massacred. This action, which took place 1,200 km SW of the Azores, violates the "neutrality zone" proclaimed by U.S. President Roosevelt. In response, Roosevelt deploys U.S. Navy ships to patrol at 40 West longitude, with orders to "shoot to kill" any Axis warships further west.

Hitler reins in the U-boats and raiders, Britain routes all its shipping west of the 40W line, and British code breakers crack the German Navy's HYDRA Enigma key in July. Losses drop to 'acceptable' levels, but the longer routes strain British shipping to the maximum, and there are additional raider attacks in the area between Greenland, Iceland and Ireland.

** NOTE: this is pretty much what happened in late 1941 OTL, except the re-routing. Allied shipping losses dropped by 2/3 for several months. **

Brazil, happy to make a pro-Allied gesture, sends her old battleships Minas Gerais and Sao Paulo to patrol the southern end of the Neutrality Line, starting in September.

Mussolini is frustrated. Africa was a debacle. Aside from a long-range airwar in the Mediterranean, and an army on the eastern front, Italy is doing nothing. The only bright spot in the war has been Italian naval strikes on British shipping. Even there, the Germans claimed the lion's share of the credit for sinking Ramillies, though (according to her captain) it was Caio Duilio that did the real damage. He decides to Do Something.

In October, he sends Italy's three modern battleships into the Atlantic with orders to find and sink a British battleship. That's fine with Hitler, who is happy to provide the required oil; what he doesn't know is that the Italians have been ordered to ignore the Neutrality Line.

The Italian naval forces in Spain get copies of German decrypts of BAMS (Broadcast to Allied Merchant Ships code) traffic. This alerts them to a major northbound convoy from Africa and South America to Britain, escorted by HMS Malaya, moving just west of the Neutrality Line about 2,500 km north of Brazil. The Italian force moves to intercept.

But instead of the convoy, the Italians run into Minas Gerais. They mistake her for a British ship, quickly destroy her, then steam home in "triumph".

** NOTE: this is analogous to Mussolini's 1940 invasion of Greece: a foolish and desperate move to win some military glory. **

Mussolini has put his foot very deep into it this time. Brazil immediately declares war on Italy, and then Germany. The U.S. comes very close to its own declaration of war (Italy having effectively violated the Monroe Doctrine), but holds off.

The Pacific War breaks out as OTL. The U.S. immediately declares war on the entire Axis.

Britain, not having an active theater of war in North Africa, has deployed more and better troops in Malaya and Burma.

** NOTE: Especially better. The troops in Malaya OTL were what had been spared from the fighting fronts, and were disproportionately green, ill-equipped, and undermotivated. **

The Malaya campaign lasts twice as long as OTL. By the time Japan invades Burma, the defenses there are relatively solid.

** NOTE: They won't be good. Field Marshal Slim in his memoir noted that the responsibility for Burma's defense changed several times in the previous five years, and that none of the responsible bodies ever seemed to consider that Burma might actually be attacked until the Japanese came over the border. **

They hold until the monsoon comes. But let's forget the Pacific War, we're interested in Europe and North Africa.

With the U.S. in the war, the Allies start thinking about serious counterattacks for the first time. French North Africa is an obvious path to Spain. But nothing can be done for several months till the U.S. can get some troops in the field.

Going back to the Eastern Front. When the ground dries out at the end of spring 1942, the Germans launce Case BLUE, an all out attack into Ukraine, to capture food-growing land and mineral resources. The ultimate goal of BLUE is the oil of the Caucasus - but the Axis never gets there, being stopped on the Don River. Axis troops break into the Crimea, but fail to take Sevastopol.

Per the OP, Turkey is somehow induced to declare war on the Allied side in July 1942. British airpower relocates to southwestern Turkey and beats down Axis air in the Dodecanese in a few weeks. There are artillery battles between the islands and the Turkish coast. British and Turkish troops easily cross from the mainland to the islands in August; all surrender by early September. There are a few air raids on Istanbul from Romania before British planes and radar are flown in.

In September British warships enter the Black Sea and secure it. Lend-Lease materiel is delivered directly into the besieged port of Sevastopol and to Novorossiisk.

Back out west, the Battle of the Atlantic has turned badly against the Allies. U-boats and surface raiders are unleashed on American waters and wreak havoc. The U-boats have a new unbroken Enigma key, and convoys can't evade the patrol lines and ambushes. In addition, the powerful surface forces in Spain pose a potential threat anywhere from Trinidad to Newfoundland. The US is forced to commit the carriers Wasp and Saratoga to the Atlantic to cope, especially after Eagle is sunk and Formidable damaged by U-boats, and Ark Royal is crippled by German aircraft.

The commitment pays off in May, though, when Wasp's planes spot and cripple Scharnhorst, which is then finished off by Renown and Warspite. A further payoff comes in June when Saratoga sends her dive bombers against the Axis anchorage in Vigo Bay, in coordination with a high level raid by Bomber Command from England. Bomber Command's operation is costly (23 of 80 planes lost) because the target is out of escort range, but it allows Saratoga's bombers to sink the battleship Giulio Cesare, cruisers Bolzano, Monteccucoli, and Nurnberg, and three German destroyers, plus damage to Littorio, Prinz Eugen, and the Spanish cruiser Canarias. This attack becomes known as the "Fish-in-a-Barrel Raid." The destruction of Giulio Cesare in a colossal magazine explosion is caught by the gun-camera of a dive bomber, and becomes an iconic image.

Mussolini now panics and orders all his ships back to Italy. Franco is unhappy too. The Vigo raid was the first daylight bomber attack on Spain, something he had been promised would never happen. Also, Spain is suffering acutely from shortages of food and oil. Hitler's promises have proved worth their weight in gold. Franco is viewed as a sucker, having put Spain in a hole for nothing.

In the fall of 1942, things start to go very bad for the Axis.

Pro-Allied sentiment has been growing in French North Africa, both from anti-Axis principle and pure opportunism. Allied forces have massed in Libya, aon the Tunisian border, and in Spanish Sahara, on the Moroccan border. On 12 October, the balloon goes up.

Key French commanders in Morocco announce for the Allies as Allied motorized troops rush north from the border. U.S. troops land at Casablanca unopposed. British troops march unopposed into Tunisia; pro-Allied paramilitaries seize control of Algiers, and British forces land from two fast transports.

Germany responds with aircraft troops, which reach Spanish Morocco by air in two days. By 18 October there is a division and a half there and Axis forces have occupied Oran in Algeria.

Then the next bit of manure hits the fan. German and Soviet forces had fought to exhaustion on the Don River line; the front further north had been quiet for several months. Then on 20 October Soviet forces attacked from Orel to Velikiye Luki. Army Group Center disintegrated, and Soviet forces stormed forward across 400 km of front, with nothing but distance between them and Berlin.

Hitler turned, as he did so often, to Field Marshal Model, "the Fuhrer's Fireman". Model scraped up every reserve, pulled forces from France and Norway, and checked the Soviet advance near Minsk in November. The breakthrough turned the flank of Army Group South as well, which had to fall back from the Don to the Dnieper.

** NOTE: That was Model's OTL nickname. What he did here is what he did OTL in 1944 after BAGRATION. **

The emergency in the east left nothing more to be sent to Africa. Some 250,000 Spanish and Italian troops were ferried over, and the Axis took control of western Algeria and northern Morocco.

The Allies could make little progress on either front, initially, Eighth Army in Algeria was at the end of supply line that stretched all the way around Africa. US Fifth Army in Morocco was mostly green troops; even its British components had only a handful of 1940 veterans.

However, once Allied airbases were established in Morocco, Axis supplies from Spain were substantially interdicted. Allied troops, once blooded, began to batter down Axis resistance with superior numbers and massive firepower. On 15 January 1943, the last Axis troops in Africa surrendered.

Allied bombers from Morocco now attacked Axis bases and communication in Spain. Spanish alienation from the Axis was nearly complete; only a small number of fascist fanatics remained loyal. Nearly all of the tough Moroccan legionaries who had fought so well in the Civil War had been lost in Africa.

On 19 February Franco was deposed and fled to Switzerland, where he issued a bitter screed denouncing Hitler's duplicity. The post-Franco regime immediately approached the Allies to arrange surrender. The Allies demanded unconditional surrender and made no explicit promises; unofficially they agreed to provide Spain with food relief that was urgently needed.

On 15 March Spain announced its surrender. Allied forces took the Balearic islands unopposed and also the port of Cartagena. The main landings on the Andalusian coast met fierce German resistance, but the Allies were too strong and by 18 March the Germans were in full retreat, often harried by left-wing Spaniards who had been suppressed by Franco and now rose up.

On 10 April Allied troops reached Madrid. The Germans finally turned to stand in the mountains south of the Ebro River. On 18 April, Portugal agreed that the Allies could use the port of Lisbon for supplies - and also base ASW forces in the Azores. With that and the loss of Spanish bases, the U-boats were all but shut down till they could set up new bases in France. Even then converging ASW patrols from Spain and England made every deployment and return run a deadly gauntlet.

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I could continue this, but I think I've exhausted the direct consequences and implications of Spanish and Turkish involvement in the war.

Good night all.
 
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I wonder, everyone seems to always have Franco joining the Axis, but what if, he made the same offer (or a similar one) to the Allies as he had to Hitler, say, around 1943? Would the allies accept the price in exchange for a direct land border in Europe?
 

JRScott

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I wonder, everyone seems to always have Franco joining the Axis, but what if, he made the same offer (or a similar one) to the Allies as he had to Hitler, say, around 1943? Would the allies accept the price in exchange for a direct land border in Europe?

Doubtful Franco would have been able to. If someone else was running Spain it might be possible. Keep in mind Russia and Mexico spent a lot supporting the Republicans in Spain who Franco overturned.
 

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Keep in mind Russia and Mexico spent a lot supporting the Republicans in Spain who Franco overturned.

The Soviet Union, far from ‘spending a lot’ supporting Republican Spain, turned an enormous profit from the Spanish Civil War; when war broke out the Soviets persuaded the Republican government to send the bulk of the Spanish gold reserve to the Soviet Union to ‘keep it safe’. From there none of it ever returned; every weapon sent by the Soviets was payed for in gold before it left Russia and all was at exorbitant prices because the arms embargo meant that the Soviets were the Republic’s only source of heavy weapons, armour and aircraft.

1940 is barely possible. Franco said he was willing, for the right price. But the price he set (in terms of fuel, food, and military aid) was more than Hitler would (or perhaps could) pay. Opinion is divided between those who think Franco deliberately highballed the price to insure that Hitler could not meet it, and those that think Franco simply overestimated Spain's value to the Axis.
When in July 1940 Franco offered to enter the war, he requested Gibraltar, French Morocco and the western half of Algeria. In addition to which he requested a guarantee of supplies from Germany in the event of the war lasting longer than three months; he did not ask for supplies in advance, just that they be provided if the war lasted longer than expected. Far from highballing, Franco seems to have underestimated what he thought Spain would have required, not a mistake someone looking for an excuse to keep out of the war would have done; the German Ambassador to Madrid told Berlin that he thought the Spanish were too optimistic with regard to how long they could go without German material assistance.

Spain’s claims of French territory sound excessive for involvement in a war that was considered essentially already over, but they simply consisted of Spain’s outstanding irredentist claims, claims that predated not only Franco’s rise, but went back to before the First World War and were no more exaggerated than Mussolini’s demand of Nice, Corsica and Tunisia for less than two weeks of insubstantial fighting. They look excessive now, but in 1940 it looked like a closing down sale on the French Empire; everything was up for bargain prices; that at least was how Franco and Mussolini saw it. Hitler however intent at the very least to keep the French Empire together to prevent the British seizing the rest of it, and if possible to bring Vichy into the Axis; something he went part way to achieving.
 
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When in July 1940 Franco offered to enter the war, he requested Gibraltar, French Morocco and the western half of Algeria. In addition to which he requested a guarantee of supplies from Germany in the event of the war lasting longer than three months; he did not ask for supplies in advance, just that they be provided if the war lasted longer than expected. Far from highballing, Franco seems to have underestimated what he thought Spain would have required, not a mistake someone looking for an excuse to keep out of the war would have done; the German Ambassador to Madrid told Berlin that he thought the Spanish were too optimistic with regard to how long they could go without German material assistance.

Spain’s claims of French territory sound excessive for involvement in a war that was considered essentially already over, but they simply consisted of Spain’s outstanding irredentist claims, claims that predated not only Franco’s rise, but went back to before the First World War and were no more exaggerated than Mussolini’s demand of Nice, Corsica and Tunisia for less than two weeks of insubstantial fighting. They look excessive now, but in 1940 it looked like a closing down sale on the French Empire; everything was up for bargain prices; that at least was how Franco and Mussolini saw it. Hitler however intent at the very least to keep the French Empire together to prevent the British seizing the rest of it, and if possible to bring Vichy into the Axis; something he went part way to achieving.


Would this work then?:

Either the British are more agressive and quickly seize an unimportant French colony (Madagascar, Dakar ?), or said colony decides to side with London, or Hitler simply changes his mind on a whim. He thus agrees to Franco's demands, namely Gibraltar, Morroco and parts of Algeria. In turn, he offers the French half of Belgium (the new border though would be purely on paper, since the nazis would still control the entire area), delays the annexation of Alsace-Lorraine and promises them something like Congo or somesuch once the war is done. Maybe this way the French are less pissed off, maybe not. Doesn't really matter.

Regarding the food, it's obvious Britain would come to terms within six months, so what harm can some words written on a piece of paper do ? Moreover, once German troops are in Spain ("to ensure its safety"), he can always say "sorry, change of plans".
 
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