Sovjet occupied Germany/western Europe

I was wondering about a Soviet occupied Western Europe specifically Germany.
Let's say the Soviet Union manages to beat Germany in world war II before the western allies can occupy most of Europe. How is not really important, maybe D-Day fails or D-day is postponed because of the weather, etc. The soviet union manages to capture all of Germany and maybe some other parts (Denmark, Scandinavia, Low countries, maybe northern France and northern Italy).

What would the soviet union do with Germany? Just puppetize all of it? Germany would still remain a country with a lot of potential. Even with a Communist government it could still start to dominate the continent and maybe even the soviet union self. It seems to me that the soviet union would try to prevent that at all cost.

Would it just split up Germany? For example an independent Austria, Bavaria, Eastern Germany/Brandenburg, Saxony, Westphalia, etc. Would it give parts to other (allied) nations, like it did with Poland? Giving Schleswig-Holstein to (a possibly communist) Denmark, northwestern Germany to the Netherlands, etc.
 

yourworstnightmare

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I think USSR would want a united Communist Germany (perhaps even with Austria) as a strong force that can bring revolution to Western Europe. The new German People's Republic would anyway need some Soviet support because it would be in a bad shape in the beginning. I think a Moscow- Berlin axis lead by Stalin very well could be Western Europe's worst nightmare.
 
Unlikely to happen if the invasion of France filed then the Germans would have been able to shift its forces to the east to hold back the soviets while destroyed or damage divisions would be able to rebuild.
Despite Hitler the Heer was able to inflict massive damage on the soviet army and without allied forces in France they would have been able to shift forces to the east.
 
Unlikely to happen if the invasion of France filed then the Germans would have been able to shift its forces to the east to hold back the soviets while destroyed or damage divisions would be able to rebuild.
Despite Hitler the Heer was able to inflict massive damage on the soviet army and without allied forces in France they would have been able to shift forces to the east.
How isn't realy relevant. It doesn't have to be a failed D-Day. It could have been something else, like the Nazis sending more troops to the western front (and removing them from the eastern front), maybe a tactical error at the western front, halting its rapid progress, maybe the western allies invade from the south, through Italy, southern France, Islandhopping in the mediterranean, maybe the Russians were better prepared than OTL, maybe the Germans just make a lot of very stupid decissions, etc.
In the end, Russia must occupy all of Germany and the western allies can not do anything about, except start another war.
 

burmafrd

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Its almost at ASB level unless POD is farther back. By 1944 things are pretty set. D-Day was nowhere near as close as some think- remember, only on Omaha was there real trouble. A secure foothold would have been there even if Omaha had had to be abandoned. Things would have indeed slowed down, but not all that much. By the time the Soviets broke through in spring of 45, all of France would have been gone and probably Holland, Belgium as well. And For Stalin to try and move past germany would have really set things off. Just not going to happen.
 
Unlikely to happen if the invasion of France filed then the Germans would have been able to shift its forces to the east to hold back the soviets while destroyed or damage divisions would be able to rebuild.
Despite Hitler the Heer was able to inflict massive damage on the soviet army and without allied forces in France they would have been able to shift forces to the east.

In 1944 Soviet Union had the overwhelming superiority over Germany. In 22 June operation "Bagration" began(clearing of Belarus) and group of armies "Centre" was defeated, group of armies "north" was blocked in Kurljandia.
 
I believe Stalin was scared of unified Germany, even if communist so I guess regime there would be harsh and firmly under Soviet control. Remember that of non-Soviet WarPac countries GDR was most successful and their troops were with Soviets a lot of times (advisors in A'stan, their intel as well). I also remember the scene when Honecker went to Moscow when Gorby was trying to reform things and told Honecker that he needs to lighten up a bit as well. Honecker was disgusted when he saw bare shelves in Soviet stores while those in Germany were not.
 
I was wondering about a Soviet occupied Western Europe specifically Germany.
Let's say the Soviet Union manages to beat Germany in world war II before the western allies can occupy most of Europe. How is not really important,

That's for my TL.
 
Its almost at ASB level unless POD is farther back. By 1944 things are pretty set. D-Day was nowhere near as close as some think- remember, only on Omaha was there real trouble. A secure foothold would have been there even if Omaha had had to be abandoned. Things would have indeed slowed down, but not all that much. By the time the Soviets broke through in spring of 45, all of France would have been gone and probably Holland, Belgium as well. And For Stalin to try and move past germany would have really set things off. Just not going to happen.

Please do not focus on D-Day. It was just an example. If you think that doesn't work, use another earlier POD. I have given a couple, which I think might work. If needed go back to 1939, as long as WWII is broadly the same (Nazi Germany, conquers Europe except the UK, invades Russia, makes a lot of progress (comitting various atrocities), but doesn't defeat Russia, advances come to a halt, Russia drives the Germans out of Russia).

If you think that France is too far for the Russian, place the Iron Curtain at the Franco/German border. If you think the Netherlands is too far, place the Iron Curtain there or force them into a Finish neutrality or whatever.
 
Soviet occupied Western Europe, please not after 1955 !

why ? NATO will start drop Tactical Nukes to stop them
and the World look more like Cuba Crisis War TL :eek:

so wat Stalin get its hands on Third Reich ?
i think he start disassemble the country
move Poland more to west, (take parts of East Germany)
Königberg becomes part of USSR
so wat really happend after War

Austria and Bavaria put together as a Agriculture country
K.R.Ö (CRA) Kommunistische Republik Österreich
under roule of Johann Koplenig

and wat remain as Germany become D.D.R (GDR)
Deutsche Demokratische Republik
under roule of Walter Ulbricht

also can be that Stalin start Purge and deportations
and alot of German and Austria end up in Siberia
(most from East Germany and Areas with a high number of NSDAP members,
like east-Hannover, Schleswig-Holstein, Chemnitz-Zwickau.)
and form german POW in Siberia, none will return to the Germans staates.

the Free Areas are repopulated with Sovjets

also dismantling of factories and deportations of technicians to the USSR
 
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