Soviets in the Sun: A Timeline

In a way, Stalin did the "right thing" and he even went away from supporting the NEP towards a planned economy. Except that he executed it very badly, from the perspective of industrializing with too much human cost. It could have been done without all the famine and purges.

It was very poorly executed, indeed. But, I don't really subscribe to the theory that Stalin can be held responsible for the execution of these plans. The famine also can't be attributed to him either. With the purges, there is a debate. Personally, I believe Stalin trusting in Yezhov and allowing him to work without much accountability was his fault. Then again, Stalin did swiftly do away with Yezhov when he found out what he had done and had many of those accused rehabilitated into the party. It could have been done without so much human cost, so that is another mistake of the Soviet Union during that era.

Chinese youth is polarizing between Maoists and neoliberals, even a revival of Trotskyism, which is the original ideology of the CPC in the first place. It is in the same way that American youth is polarizing between "socialism" (most likely, a misunderstanding of looking up to the European social democratic model as the correct socialism) and right-wing libertarianism.

If the youth of China is able to start political change (alongside the workers of course), then we may see America trying to get its hands on this "Second Chinese Revolution. If the US did, then the neoliberals would inevitably come to the forefront and have the Maoists purged.
 
The USSR was created at the time when the Bolsheviks are still committed to the idea of world revolution and convinced that the emancipation of the German proletariat would arrive in a few years time. That all changed when Bukharin and Stalin started to conceptualize "socialism in one country". So the original goal is really like that of Comintern's, creation of an international Soviet commonwealth of equal proletarian republics. When the Moscow bureaucracy started flexing its muscles under Stalin, the more liberal times of the 1920s and its remaining internationalism was gone. So yes, you're right in a way that it's not going to work. But with the rise of Stalinism, keeping proletarian republics as independent outside of Moscow's direct control seems to be a better deal for these new republics, even for the Warsaw Pact countries.

The prospect of revolution in Germany was already buried by the Freikorps and the Social Democrats. So, it was conceptualised as a reaction to... well... reaction. Also, I don't believe that internationalism was necessarily "gone". Stalin would have executed internationalist plans as soon as another revolution was capable of sustaining itself and the conditions existed.

If a new proletarian republic was formed, there would have been three routes-
.With Stalin during this era, there would have been less political autonomy and more economic autonomy. There would also be military and economic support from the Soviet Union.
.Without Stalin during this era, there would have been more political autonomy, more economic autonomy, but without the economic and military support that would come from the Soviet Union.
.Following Stalin's time, there would be less economic and less political autonomy.
 
Hi Comisario! I diligently followed your TL since its first chapter but always held back from posting since I had nothing constructive to offer to the discussion. Really a great work: even if we're just into its second year I foresee only good things for this story!

Thank you for the kind words! I was quite worried two or three updates ago that I was moving too slowly and losing people's interest. But I suppose that by leaking out updates with more details and hints for later creates more anticipation. Now the payoff has to go well! :)

But since 1939 gets closer and closer and some AH.commers already started talking about Spain's role in alt-WW2 a weird concept suddenly popped up in my thoughts: could this world be spared from a second World War? In other words, could it be that the great conflict the Nazis will inevitably start (German economy couldn't sustain peace time much longer in 1939) will be a one-front struggle against the Soviet/Slav giant in the East, so being remembered as the last Great European War but not as a World War?

You certainly bring up an original point here. The German economy was geared to an eternity of war and causing misery, and certainly would try to pursue war in with the Soviet Union.

When Hitler invaded France IOTL, the latter was the last non-Fascist continental power in Western Europe, leaving "only" the UK to deal with, but ITTL the Iberian peninsula will be in the hands of a virulently anti-Fascist republic that has just finished showing to the world the prowess in battle of its citizens in a long, bloody civil war. TTL Hitler will know that the Communist Spanish won't be friendly neighbours (like OTL Franco-ist Spain was) to an occupied/puppetised French state but will also know that an invasion of Iberia isn't going to be a stroll in the park like the fall of France ("Let's build only one half of the Maginot Line! It'll be more than enough.") since Germany and Italy were recently burned by the failure of their Falangist allies to seize power, even with all the supplies they sent them and the military expertise they provided. And we shouldn't forget that a long, expensive campaign and occupation in the West is just what Stalin needs to take his plan of full-modernisation of the Red Army by 1942 to its full achievement. In Dr. Strangelove's NSCW timeline the two front war was a possibility because the military capabilities of the Second Spanish Republic were unexplored territory for the Axis, due to the lack of the Civil War; here Germans and Italians have fought against the Spanish Soviet-supplied war machine and they have lost!

You bring up some very good points TheBerlinguer and I have taken note of all of them. Germany and Italy have already seen that the Spanish Republic can hold its own against a technologically superior foe. Some Germans and Italians are even profiting from the Republic's victories. They will be formulating plans to deal with the eventual "Rojo" menace, of course. But, who says that these plans mean an advance into, and occupation of, Spanish territory. The Pyrenees serve as a geographical barrier for both sides of the mountains. Also, a pro-Axis yet neutral puppet France is still neutral. If it has the same borders as OTL, then projecting German forces into Spain will be from a limited area in the Bay of Biscay. Also, the territory explored by the Condor Legion and CTV will reveal what weaknesses the Axis forces have in Spain. The Axis is also aware that the Spanish Republic can only survive militarily with Soviet support. But, they also know what planned economies entail. They know that industrialisation will mean a greater arms industry geared for an inevitable war with the Axis.

Spain will be a double-edged sword and Germany will hope not to fall upon it.

IOTL the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact meant the end to any chance of trying to bring Pilsudski's Poland in the Axis camp (and the Fascists really tried to accomplish this feat, because of the Russians being perceived as the greater danger in Warsaw too), since that nation would have formally ceased to exist after the invasion, resulting in Germany and the Soviet Union sharing a common border. But in a scenario with an aborted Western front we could actually see Poland obtaining full membership in the Anti-Comintern Pact and declaring war to the Eastern Colossus. After all, who would come to its rescue in any substantial way? Not the French,who would never risk a naked aggression to the Third Reich without an unshakable war alliance with the British Empire, which is presumably governed by Neville Chamberlain, a man whose strategy of looking the other way while Hitler annexed more and more land was finalised at making Hitler's oncoming war a showdown of Fascism against Communism, which should have resulted in the crippling or outright disappearance of one or even both blocs in the fires of the conflict, without spilling a single drop of British blood (and a Communist takeover of Spain won't do anything to paint the Soviet Union as a nation deserving military help. Spain could and would help the Soviets but it lacks almost anything it'd need for proper power projection at the other end of Europe.

The Spanish Civil War will certainly be a polarising conflict for international relations. Popular support will inexorably turn against Franco and his allies for their breach of the Non-Intervention Committee. That doesn't quite mean that the proponents of appeasement will be thoroughly turned against their former ideas, but it will cast doubt over the military capabilities of the Axis nations. As I've said before, an advance through the Pyrenees will evidently cause a collapse of the Wehrmacht in the Western Front. The Germans know this and probably will see taking such a risk while the Soviet Union is still able to be lulled into some sense of security by the division of Poland as self-defeating. However, Hitler is an unpredictable fellow.

Or maybe it's just me that's abusing the scope of the butterfly effect, but it would be funny to see the most important event in XX century history and the pivotal moment in the history of many nations being warped into a "dark grey vs. black" showdown between two evil empires.

As long as the butterflies can be realistically explained, the scope doesn't mean much for believability. It certainly would be funny to see such an outcome, however I do see many better ways for achieving this aim.

Thank you for your ideas! They have given me a lot to think about and some of these suggestions may well be included into this timeline. :)
 
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I'm interested in the knock on effects the Red outcome in Spain will have on other European & Middle Eastern Socialist & Communist movements.

Will this embolden greater Popular Support & Numbers of Reds than OTL in places like Greece, Iran & Turkey etc?

Maybe some premature & failed Revolutions along with some successful ones?

I'm also curious on how India will develop. Will Partition be avoided? Removing that divide & conquer gambit by the brits could lead to a greater workers movement if they are not at each others throats like OTL.
 
I'm interested in the knock on effects the Red outcome in Spain will have on other European & Middle Eastern Socialist & Communist movements.

Will this embolden greater Popular Support & Numbers of Reds than OTL in places like Greece, Iran & Turkey etc?

Maybe some premature & failed Revolutions along with some successful ones?

Revolutionary ideas will certainly appeal more to Western Europeans and embolden their movements. That doesn't mean all or any of them will succeed.

In Greece and Iran especially, there will be butterflies with far-reaching consequences. Though, these will come much further down the line.

I'm also curious on how India will develop. Will Partition be avoided? Removing that divide & conquer gambit by the brits could lead to a greater workers movement if they are not at each others throats like OTL.

The old "divide and conquer" gambit is an imperial tradition, so it may not necessarily be completely abandoned. However, there will be many more people to protest against British-made sectarianism. Substantial change in India will occur, that's all I can say.
 
I really like the story and idea. But I have to say, on the first post, the picture in the top left looks like Steve Buscemi.
 
Very interesting.:cool:

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With all these butterflies and the republican victories I think that the Czech Crisis of 1938 could cause in TTL a strong position from Czechoslovakia more than in OTL and I suspect more strong position at least from France, I suppose also Stalin Soviet Union could indicate to Czechoslovakia that they will have full support from the USSR.

So I think there are great probabilities that if Hitler decides to go for the Sudetes could have a war at least in Central Europe in 1938.

Could the butterflies of this TL cause a less extensive purge within the USSR military?, I know Tujachevsky is dead before the POD but could be it is possible save some of the militaries purged by Stalin once seen that the Soviet help and the theories of mechanized war (that excellent tank of the Civil War the T-26) could decide Stalin to conservate a core of generals that know how made a fast mobile war.
 
With all these butterflies and the republican victories I think that the Czech Crisis of 1938 could cause in TTL a strong position from Czechoslovakia more than in OTL and I suspect more strong position at least from France, I suppose also Stalin Soviet Union could indicate to Czechoslovakia that they will have full support from the USSR.

So I think there are great probabilities that if Hitler decides to go for the Sudetes could have a war at least in Central Europe in 1938.

There is a possibility of war in 1938. But, Hitler will not be able to push his demands to such an extent due to his political and military failures in Spain.

Could the butterflies of this TL cause a less extensive purge within the USSR military?, I know Tujachevsky is dead before the POD but could be it is possible save some of the militaries purged by Stalin once seen that the Soviet help and the theories of mechanized war (that excellent tank of the Civil War the T-26) could decide Stalin to conservate a core of generals that know how made a fast mobile war.

Being as focused on the war in Spain as he is ITTL, Stalin will develop more of an interest in the Soviet military theorists and advisers in the service of the Republic. Therefore, when Yezhov comes to him with his accusations and death warrants about the aforementioned Soviet military experts, Stalin will be less inclined to believe him. Once suspicion develops around Nikolai Yezhov, butterflies abound... ;)
 
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There is a possibility of war in 1938. But, Hitler will not be able to push his demands to such an extent due to his political and military failures in Spain.

Good news for Czechoslovakia! the czechs could have some faults in reference to minorities but they were the only real democracy in Central Europe in the 1930's.

Originally posted by Comisario
Being as focused on the war in Spain as he is ITTL, Stalin will develop more of an interest in the Soviet military theorists and advisers in the service of the Republic. Therefore, when Yezhov comes to him with his accusations and death warrants about the aforementioned Soviet military experts, Stalin will be less inclined to believe him. Once suspicion develops around Nikolai Yezhov, butterflies abound...

And this could have very interesting effects if like OTL Japanese and soviets have a military confrontation, the soviets could have some ideas in defeating the japanese far more than in OTL (soviet intervention in Manchuria or helping Chiang Kai Shek far more than in OTL)
 
I apologise for my slow pace in updating this. Between DIY jobs, exam revision, getting ready to go back to school, and my fifteenth attempt at writing a fantasy novel, it has been a little bit hard to get all my ideas down and in a coherent form for you guys.

But! There will be a new update today: The Pillars of Hercules

These next few updates may be a little slow in coming, but they will come! Thanks for all your support so far, you've all been great! So rest assured, I haven't forgotten you guys! :)
 
Book I- The Spanish War of Liberation

Chapter 9

The Pillars of Hercules

When the Republican General Staff met on the 18th February, two days following the recapture of Bilbao, there was but one thing on everyone's minds. The Aragon Front had been closed and the Republican effort in the north was quickly seizing ground from the Nationalists, whose morale had suffered due to the political purges in their territory. In the south, Kléber had held out against Queipo de Llano's forces and was now planning a counteroffensive to throw the Nationalists back to Granada. To each member of the General Staff, the situation in western Andalusia was their upmost concern. From Cordoba to Seville, the roads were mostly clear of Nationalist troops and fortifications. The Army of Andalusia would have the chance for a direct assault upon General Queipo de Llano's stronghold. To defeat him at Seville would provide the Republicans with a new base of operations in the south and would steal away a large part of Franco's territory. When Casado was informed of the offensive against Seville, he was less than pleased with the General Staff's decision. Colonel Barceló had the exact same idea following the fall of Cordoba, and so this new offensive would give him complete vindication. Colonel Casado, being an anti-communist, also feared that he would be forcibly replaced with the communist Barceló by the PCE-dominated General Staff. On the 21st February, Juan Modesto's 5th Corps was moved south to Cordoba. This proved to Casado that the attack was to go ahead, even without his cooperation. Enrique Líster, Valentin Gonzalez and Juan Modesto were national heroes in the Republic, and even in the grips of his most suspicious mood, Casado could not dare refuse his superiors and let these three men die amidst the fighting in Seville. He agreed to the plan. The Battle of Seville was to take place on the 2nd March, coordinated with General Kléber's march on Granada.


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General Gonzalo Queipo de Llano inspecting Falangist troops in Seville.

In the north, collectivisation and the creation of workers' councils were the main focuses for the Army of the North and the Army of the East, especially as the Nationalists had all but given up on breaking through the Cantabrian Mountains [1]. Francisco Ciutat, Ulibarri's Chief of Operations and an ardent communist, began a process of collectivising the agriculture of the Basque Country [2]. General Pozas aided him by using his troops to displace and arrest wealthy businessmen and landowners. Those captured were then subjected to accusations of "fascist collaboration" and "crimes against the people of Spain". Crudely forged documents detailing plots against President Aguirre of the Basque Country and other Republican officials were used to discredit the accused. Aguirre was unconvinced, but dared not raise his suspicions in case of a divide in his own government. His control over the Basque government was still as strong as ever, yet Aguirre despaired when he thought of the old Generalitat of Catalonia and the Council of Aragon. Aguirre knew that a Basque "consejo popular" would displace him and his supporters [3].

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Francisco Ciutat. His loyalty to General Ulibarri would one day face a great challenge [4].

In the central government of the Republic, it was a time of change. The Minister of National Defence, Indalecio Prieto, was threatening to resign over the growing influence of the Soviets in the military. He pointed to the Basque Country, where soldiers were enforcing collectivisation and installing workers' councils. Negrín was unwilling to act even if he wanted to. The Soviets had been loyal allies to the Republic: to betray them before the war was won would be suicidal [5]. Prieto knew Negrín would never agree with him, and so he resigned on the 27th February. The Republican government was in disarray, frantically searching for Prieto's replacement. Few centrist or moderate socialist Republicans were willing to enter government with the pro-Soviet Negrín, so the Premier was forced to appoint a Communist Party member. Cayetano Bolívar, who had once been a commissar in Malaga before the city fell to the Nationalists, was presented as the best candidate. Ideologically reliable and seemingly capable in military matters, Bolívar was given the position of Minister of National Defence. Bolívar knew that anti-communist commanders in Spain were a dying breed of men, having witnessed the fall of Malaga and the incompetence of its politically unsound Republican defender. Thus, Colonel Casado was swiftly removed from his command over the Army of Andalusia and placed in control of the Army of the Centre. The fronts around Toledo and Madrid were quiet, as Franco had focused his attention on the northern and southern extremities of his Spanish State, and so the Army of the Centre was a tactical way of manoeuvring Casado from the front. To further aggravate Casado's position, the cadets from the military academy at Toledo, such as the young Jaime Milans del Bosch, were the latest recruits in the Army of the Centre [6]. Their "re-education" against the Nationalist cause would have to be completed before they could be trusted to fight for the Republic. So, with Casado gone, Barceló took over as head of the Army of Andalusia. With the General Staff's strategy for Seville unchanged, the offensive would soon begin.

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Cayetano Bolívar would not see the end of the war that he helped win.

On the early morning of the 28th February 1938, a vanguard composed of Modesto's 5th Corps seized the towns of La Carlota, Écija and Carmona. Many within these towns rejoiced at the arrival of the Republican forces, having suffered under the egotistical dictatorship of Queipo de Llano and his Nationalist enforcers. Colonel Barceló would split his forces to cover the 5th Corps's flanks, his troops taking the west until the small town of Brenes whilst Escobar Huertas seized the east up until Alacalá de Guadaíra. In the meantime, Kléber's forces in Motril were advancing against Granada, hampered by fierce Nationalist resistance. Granada, being the major city of eastern Andalusia, was also a base of operations for the Nationalists. If General Kléber was to take it, half of Queipo de Llano's fiefdom would fall. From Malaga, two Republican divisions were marching along the coast to Gibraltar, seizing small port towns until they reached the straits. These diversions allowed for an attack on Seville. Instigated by Escobar Huertas, the attack occurred in the afternoon of the 2nd March. 35,000 men concentrated their attacks on the relatively unguarded southeast of the city, yet General Queipo refused to draw his forces away from the northeast. Circling around to the direct north face of Seville, Colonel Barceló began his assault. Neither attack broke through into the city limits. When Modesto attacked from the east, he found that Queipo de Llano's forces were still holding off repeated attacks from the north and southeast without any sign of losing their positions. Nationalist and Republican artillery exchanged fire overheard as the 5th Corps made repeated attempts to break through. Two days would go by before a major Republican breakthrough in the north of the city, forcing part of General Queipo's troops to regroup against the east bank of the Guadalquivir River. There, Barceló would scatter almost a third of the Nationalists in Seville, taking the western reaches of the city. Queipo de Llano, expecting reinforcements from the north, waited patiently in the Radio Seville station and, over the airwaves, made obscene and grotesque threats regarding the Republican soldiers and their mothers. Modesto was yet to break through and Escobar Huertas was unready to enter the city, even though both vastly outnumbered the Nationalists. Another two days of street fighting for Barceló and outskirt strafing for his comrades in the east would roll by, allowing for reinforcements to show up for Queipo de Llano. Juan Yagüe, commanding a handful of Moroccan regiments, came to the Guadalquivir River. They crossed on the 7th March, undisturbed by Colonel Barceló advancing ahead. As the streets fell one by one to the Republicans, their backs were turned to Yagüe steadily advancing troops. On the morning of the 10th March, Modesto entered the city as the Nationalist guns turned inwards to fight Barceló's men. Escobar Huertas circled around further west, so as strike north through the city and meet the advancing Yagüe. General Gonzalo Queipo de Llano found himself caught between two Republican forces, with only one way to escape, and his only ally was not a man with a reputation for being particularly stalwart in the face of superior Republican numbers. Yagüe was quickly cut off from his pursuit of Barceló by Colonel Escobar, allowing Colonel Barceló to completely focus his forces on capturing the city centre. On the eve of the 11th March, Queipo de Llano attempted to flee his radio station under the cover of darkness. During a lull in the gunfire, he ran out into the streets of Seville like a maniac. Three bullets would enter his chest before he even turned the next corner. With a cry of "¡Viva la Republíca!”, Queipo de Llano fell into the road and bled out. Yagüe would be forced back north by the Army of Andalusia whilst the 5th Corps would give chase to the fleeing remnants of Queipo de Llano's Army of the South. Andalusia was all but won. The Nationalist Army of the South was in ruins and many Nationalists were fleeing to Cadiz.

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The coat of arms of Andalusia. It bears an image of Hercules with two lions, flanked by two pillars. The "Pillars of Hercules" signified both sides of the Straits of Gibraltar and what was once the end of the known world.

Although the Republic had won so much in the past year, their battles in the following months would see bloodshed like never before.

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[1] These programmes will turn into something much more impressive.
[2] ITTL, Ciutat will have a deeply controversial legacy in the Basque Country.
[3] ITTL, history will one day see this as a self-fulfilling prophecy.
[4] Revolution divides people just as in civil war.
[5] The Prime Minister faces the choice of military or political suicide. Eventually, it will be decided for him.
[6] Search up Jaime Milans del Bosch. He is a very interesting character in Spanish history and may appear in the future ;).

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Good update as always

But the TL is feeling like a wank, why can't the Nationalists win one battle?

Don't worry! This run of good luck has had a lot of factors behind it, but there will be a hell of a lot of trouble for the Republic.

Anyway, the civil war in OTL was a huge Nationalist wank! Haha
 
Originally posted by Comisario
Anyway, the civil war in OTL was a huge Nationalist wank! Haha

Yes, all the republican victories like Belchite or Guadalajara were of little territory gained or defensive victories while the rebeld troops get great victories that get in a great part huge extensions of territories (the campaigns in the North, in Aragon after Teruel battle..)

Here the things have changed, I think that you are made a good point in putting the POD in Brunete, it could have been a turning point if the Republican Army had win that battle combined with the opening of the French frontier the things had been very different probably.

Even when the republicans get the breakthrough in the Ebro in july 1938 when the Republic had been cut in two a pair of months ago, the "nationals" mounted in panic (when by logic they had by that moment the sufficient men and territory to could easily counter that republican manouver that had failed in an important part because to not get a similar breakthrough in the zone of Tortosa that of happened in Mora del Ebre), if the rebelds of Franco had had an acces of panic in that late phase of war, a Brunete victory could have give the necessary confidence and lessons (also combined with the sendings of military modernn military -the soviet T-26 was the best tank of the Civil War) to the Republican Army to get a victory in Belchite and conquer this time yes Zaragoza.

So in fact is very plaussible that if Brunete had been a victory we had seen a chain of republican victories.
 
Yes, all the republican victories like Belchite or Guadalajara were of little territory gained or defensive victories while the rebeld troops get great victories that get in a great part huge extensions of territories (the campaigns in the North, in Aragon after Teruel battle..)

Here the things have changed, I think that you are made a good point in putting the POD in Brunete, it could have been a turning point if the Republican Army had win that battle combined with the opening of the French frontier the things had been very different probably.

Even when the republicans get the breakthrough in the Ebro in july 1938 when the Republic had been cut in two a pair of months ago, the "nationals" mounted in panic (when by logic they had by that moment the sufficient men and territory to could easily counter that republican manouver that had failed in an important part because to not get a similar breakthrough in the zone of Tortosa that of happened in Mora del Ebre), if the rebelds of Franco had had an acces of panic in that late phase of war, a Brunete victory could have give the necessary confidence and lessons (also combined with the sendings of military modernn military -the soviet T-26 was the best tank of the Civil War) to the Republican Army to get a victory in Belchite and conquer this time yes Zaragoza.

So in fact is very plaussible that if Brunete had been a victory we had seen a chain of republican victories.

^ This is basically how I was trying reason it out in my head. ^

The Republic has learned that it is infinitely better in urban fighting (as it was in OTL) than in offensives over huge swathes of the countryside. Most of the Republican victories we have had so far have been in offensives directed at capturing major cities and military headquarters. Seeing as Franco's state ran on its internal political cohesion and its military's logistical capabilities, it isn't implausible for him to see major defeats when these two key things are threatened.
 
I wonder if we will see that Spain invades and conquers Portugal and Andorra during the Second World War, because a communist Spain and a fascist Portugal have a dreadful neighborhood (and remember that Andorra is a country whose head of state is the French president and the Spanish bishop of Seo de Urgel, a fact that no Spanish Communist leader could accept).

That way the Iberian Peninsula would be dominated by a single state, born of a secret clause of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
 
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