Soviets at the Channel... so what?

If this happened, the U.S. and Britain are going to be focusing on Asia a lot. China, Korea, and Vietnam are going to be pro-western whether they like it or not. The U.S. is definitely going to make sure the Commies lose the Chinese civil war. It will be in America's interests for Asian nations to become successful capitalists. Maybe China, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, etc. could have post-war miracle like Japan. The Marshall Plan would be given to Asia.

China's population will be lower thanks to no Mao telling them to have endless babies, and a higher standard of living to boot.

I don't think the third world would side with the Soviets. Latin America would be relatively the same as OTL. Furthermore, the Soviets are godless heathens, Israel will most likely turn red to get the backing from the stronger side, and India will probably turn to the Soviets because Pakistan will be pro-America. These factors mean the Muslim world is automatically aligned with the U.S. and Britain. No oil embargoes to worry about now, and we have Osama bin Laden forming Al Qaeda to attack the Communist world. 9/11 is done to Moscow.

The G8 by 2000 in this time line is probably: United States, China, Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, Britain, Korea, Canada.
 
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The USSR bankrupts itself trying to maintain its European puppets even quicker. For most of post-War history the USSR spent far more on its allies than it got from them (in terms of investment into military, infrastructure to keep it all linked, propping up of local elites). Once the initial plundering of industrial capacity is complete, there's little that can be realistically extracted from Europe.

Not to mention that larger nations will be an absolute nightmare to control. They had a hard enough time with the ones they had, and none of those were, say, France.

EDIT: The G8 of TTL - LOL.
 
If this happened, the U.S. and Britain are going to be focusing on Asia a lot. China, Korea, and Vietnam are going to be pro-western whether they like it or not. The U.S. is definitely going to make sure the Commies lose the Chinese civil war. It will be in America's interests for Asian nations to become successful capitalists. Maybe China, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, etc. could have post-war miracle like Japan. The Marshall Plan would be given to Asia.

China's population will be lower thanks to no Mao telling them to have endless babies, and a higher standard of living to boot.

I don't think the third world would side with the Soviets. Latin America would be relatively the same as OTL. Furthermore, the Soviets are godless heathens, Israel will most likely turn red to get the backing from the stronger side, and India will probably turn to the Soviets because Pakistan will be pro-America. These factors mean the Muslim world is automatically aligned with the U.S. and Britain. No oil embargoes to worry about now, and we have Osama bin Laden forming Al Qaeda to attack the Communist world. 9/11 is done to Moscow.

The G8 by 2000 in this time line is probably: United States, China, Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, Britain, Korea, Canada.

Erm; my idea for G8:

United States, Japan, United Kingdom, Nationalist China, Brazil, Korea, Canada, Australia.
 

Ace_General

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A more intense cold war though not nesscarily longer, with the end result being the U.S. Eventually winning and the aftermath will be a Wanktacular U.S.

Think, no EU to compete with teh U.S., a really friendly China, and having the cold war military development continue into the 21st century


F-22s in the late 90's and a replacement for the Arbrams
 

Terlot

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Much more poverty in the world, as Europe is ruined economically. Has also consequences for USA as it means less inovation and business.
Though it would be Asian Age early, as USSR occupied by interests in Europe can't keep Asia, and thus USA much more Taiwan's and Japans. Perhaps an Indochina under USA protection ?
A lot more cynical Europe, more riddled with crime and populism struggling to rebuild its cultural and political elites eradicated during Soviet occupation.
Unfortunate rebirth of Fascism.
 
I don't think the USSR would transfer the industry from france to russia proper. The USSR's industry transfer was more retrubitive than an actual economic policy.

I think that it would be possible to draw the iron curtain around france but I think the russian army would only occupy it for as short as possible. France would be too far away from the russian power bases for it to constantly occupy it.
 
I can see Stalin driving to the South and to the West.

He will go for the Balkans, Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal.
He may even decide to go for the the Middle East.
Who is there to stop them, assuming the Manhattan Project never took place?
The British?
 
I can see Stalin driving to the South and to the West.

He will go for the Balkans, Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal.
He may even decide to go for the the Middle East.
Who is there to stop them, assuming the Manhattan Project never took place?
The British?

MUC

Depends on the circumstances. If no allied landing in western Europe in 44 then the Soviets are going to have to fight harder for Berlin. If no serious US involvement in the European war they will have to fight a hell of a lot harder. Presuming Britain, realising it can't do anything more ambitious than invading Italy, possibly not until 44, has been conserving its strength, it could have a decent force left. Coupled with the populations of western Europe and possibly some defecting Germans, or at least their weaponry and allies and an exhausted Red Army could have its work cut out. If worse comes to the worst I could see the allies retreating behind the Alps and Pyrennes and being very difficult for an over-extended Red Army to crush.

The basic question is what has happened that no western forces are reaching France and western Germany while Germany is fighting its last gasp defence of Berlin and the German heartland?

Steve
 
If the British and Americans either dropped out of or aren't even in the war then I seriously doubt the Soviets are winning at all.

Even if we presume a disastrous D-Day which virtually wiped out the landing craft(far more important than @100,000 troops) then Germany now has sufficient reinforcements to hold off the Soviets.

Given some of the other weapons Germany was within a few months of fielding in bulk we'ld better hope the Manhattan Project is on schedule.:(
 
if the soviets did over come the germans and d-day failed than the us would ahve a fotress america what i mean is that it will try to get bases in central europen countries and south american and canda and iceland and build up militaryly in the americas plus try to help the uk japan and its allies else where. the soviet union would have allies in western europe thus making a huge warsawpact.


the possiblities are endless
 
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