Probably a continuation of NEP, thus giving us a much less industrialized, but nonetheless prosperous Union.
If Lenin lived, or his final papers reveled to all, you might see a changed Soviet, one that discredited such power grabs, Lenin was hard, and complicated, but in the end was that people like Stalin were not the answer to create a democratic socialist state.Stalin took power in 1922, so trying to figure out what the USSR will be like without him won't be easy.
Trotsky run USSR? Maybe more like how the USSR war run by Khrushchev post-Stalin, minus the rapid, forced industrialization.
Sure industrialization would take place, just not at the pace and cost it happened under Stalin iMHOWell since the rapid forced industrialization was done..
Industrialization needed to take place. Albeit it could have been less brutal ..
I was attempting humor.Sure industrialization would take place, just not at the pace and cost it happened under Stalin iMHO
There appears to be no PoD that Lenin lives longer.If Lenin lived, or his final papers reveled to all, you might see a changed Soviet, one that discredited such power grabs, Lenin was hard, and complicated, but in the end was that people like Stalin were not the answer to create a democratic socialist state.
Unfortunatly it was too late.
That was something that was winding down with or without the Nazis. The Germans pretty much had the Allies remove the last of the observers enforcing the ToV armaments ban, so the Germans could do everything they did in the USSR at home now, while the Soviets repeatedly proved unwilling to work with the Germans on several issues by the late 1920s and vice-versa. In fact without Stalin the German-Soviet cooperation might not even happen ITTL. Trotsky was not a fan of the German militarists. Though if Trotsky doesn't take over then there probably would be the cooperation.German-Soviet millitarry cooperation regarding planes and tank would likely continue after 1933...
That was something that was winding down with or without the Nazis. The Germans pretty much had the Allies remove the last of the observers enforcing the ToV armaments ban, so the Germans could do everything they did in the USSR at home now, while the Soviets repeatedly proved unwilling to work with the Germans on several issues by the late 1920s and vice-versa. In fact without Stalin the German-Soviet cooperation might not even happen ITTL. Trotsky was not a fan of the German militarists. Though if Trotsky doesn't take over then there probably would be the cooperation.
That pretty much hinges on Trotsky. He wasn't interested in working with foreign powers, he wanted to start revolution in them. There were other players and Trotsky was not making allies or endearing himself to Lenin before Lenin became ill (which is why Stalin was appointed to the position of General Secretary, Lenin was pissed at nearly everyone else), so it is possible Lenin, absent Stalin, sidelines Trotsky completely and Trotsky's lack of political allies means he gets marginalized, though not exiled like IOTL. I'm not that familiar with Soviet politics, but Stalin pretty much packed the government with his allies early on, so its tough to say how the USSR would have evolved without him, because he was so critical to the early development of the nation. It is possible and potentially more likely for less ideological people that Trotsky to take over once Lenin is incapacitated and they would be willing to work with the Reichswehr. Clearly the Reichswehr was willing to work with less ideological Soviets in the 1920s, much depends on the Soviet side of things. Still come the early 1930s the Germans don't need the Soviets, so they are likely to depart from the military cooperation no matter what because of being able to do what they want at home, but without the Nazis poisoning relations a less ideological USSR (than one led by Trotsky, but still somewhat more than Stalin) are likely to work with the Germans increasingly in terms of barter trade from 1932 on due to the Soviets also suffering in the Great Depression from loss of external markets; Germany would badly want trade, but IOTL the Nazis and Soviets couldn't agree until the late 1930s; without the Nazis around, but also no Stalin there is still a good chance for the Germans and Soviets to work together on all sorts of issues, but especially economically due to their complementary needs (Germany needs raw materials and has high technology industrial trade goods to sell, the Soviets had lots of raw materials and needs industrial technologies they cannot make internally to develop industrially). There are also points to work together on internationally on the issue of China. The Soviets wanted a friendly China and didn't get on with Mao, while hating the Japanese, and the Germans wanted Chinese trade and without the Nazis seeking geo-political allies to counter the Soviets there is nothing that Weimar Germany needs from Japan, who is a competitor over China. So Weimar and the USSR have a lot to work together on as shadow allies of sorts. Things may get a bit tricky once Versailles falls apart and Germany starts to openly rearm, but German and Soviet revanche over Poland has common interests.Hard to say, we are talking about two totally different countries than in OTL here. But since neither the WR nor the SU had alot of options for millitarry cooperation otherwise and were not likely to fight each other, due to Poland, there could be value in it.
Especially if the Reichwehr doesn't want the public to know to much about it.
Well Lenin being more healthy and living longer would help on the Stalin takes power in 22.There appears to be no PoD that Lenin lives longer.
Yes, but that's not actually listed as a PoD.Well Lenin being more healthy and living longer would help on the Stalin takes power in 22.
Not sure what this has to do with the thread exactly. Also Hitler was full Austrian, who speak German and are or were as German as Bavarians are. Napoleon was Corsican ,but the island was added to France just before or after his birth. Georgia, I am pretty sure was apart of the Russian empire and so by some standards he was Russian.In Matthew White's "The Great Big Book of Horrible Things" he observes that so many big dictators came from countries on the periphery of the nation they led.
Stalin was a Georgian. Napoleon was Corsican. Hitler was part Austrian.
Wonder why that is?