Soviet Union 1939 attacks baltic states with Nazi Germany

what if in 1939 the soviets dont just annex the baltic states but decide to invade them then after germany conquers poland. germany then decides that to keep the soviets on good terms with them, while they attack france, they help them conquer the baltic states and in doing so the allies get the baltic states to join them. thus turning the second world war in a three way war, when germany decides to invade the soviets.

question was this possible during the time if the soviets did attack

and could this lead to a germany and soviet allaince and how could change the out come of the war.

can someone please respond how em i suposed to know if this is stupid or not if no one responds
 
Last edited:

Tellus

Banned
The baltic states had no ability to resist invasion by either power - none whatsoever.

Annexing them was no issue whatsoever. It was all about Germany and the Soviets deciding on how to split them. If you want an early conflict over their remnants, you can simply have the two powers disagree on where to split them. If no such conflict occurs, no alliance is needed to carve them up. Either power issuing a strongly worded ultimatum with the other refusing to offer opposite guarantees is all that is required to annex the Batic states in 39-40.

Their fate was sealed the moment Hitler decided that Stalin could have them.
 
ok the baltic states arent that powerful but knowing this what if they called on britain to help them out in their time of emergency such as this
 

Tellus

Banned
Still a no go. Britain had no means to help and protect its immensely more powerful ally in Poland, and had obviously no means at the time to help the much weaker and harder to defend Baltic states. The Royal Navy could not even enter the Baltic sea.

The only way to somehow preserve part of the Baltic states in this time frame is to have either Hitler or Stalin determined to protect them from the other - and this would of course be an interested and temporary protection as both countries saw the integration of the Baltics into their own empire as both desirable and inevitable.

Might as well have tried to save Luxembourg from German occupation. At least its closer. :p
 
What's been said already. Note that waiting until Britain and France were very obviously too busy to even think about coming to the aid of small eastern European countries (in June 1940 when the Germans were smashing all before them) to annex the Baltics was a very deliberate Soviet choice. They'd learned the lesson from the spectre of intervention in Finland in 1939, and had no desire whatsoever to be at war with the Entente.

The agreements reached with the Baltics in 1939 were, as far as Stalin was concerned, just marking his territory: small military bases which couldn't have put up any more of a fight than the Danes if Germany had moved through the Baltic. It was, as Tellus says, always his plan (and Hitler's) to incorporate them fully into his empire, but he waited until an opportune moment to do it.
 
Top