Southern Brazil

I just read about small movement in Santa Catarina,Rio Grande do Sul and Parana to secede from Brazil.Does anyone think an independent state with the same large German,Polish,Italian demographics could have arisen there,maybe augmented in the 20th century by the influx of the Russo-Germans that went to Argentina and Mennonites that went to Paraguay and Belize. I gather it would have needed a strong European sponsor,whether a nation or wealthy group of individuals to carve it out of Brazil.
 

raharris1973

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Were different ethnic European roots a factor in the southern Brazilian separatist movements? Or was the separatism earlier, over different issues, and the increase in German, Polish and Italian immigrants would only happen later and become significant later?
 
Were different ethnic European roots a factor in the southern Brazilian separatist movements? Or was the separatism earlier, over different issues, and the increase in German, Polish and Italian immigrants would only happen later and become significant later?
The latter case.
The farroupilha rebellion resulted from a tax revolt, as the southern gaúchos felt that the brazilian government was favouring argentine and uruguayan bovine meat instead of national meat.
Perhaps a good PoD for an at least more successful revolt would be having the rebel leader, Bento Gonçalves, not be arrested by government forces in 1836. He still escaped a year later, but his absence could have been the thing that prevented the rebels from capturing the city of Porto Alegre.
 
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That's Post-1900, immigration only really started to catch by the 1880's, there was no clear cultural divide - if we can put it that way - before that. The region was considerably less populated than the colonial heart of Brazil during most of the 19th century; TBH they did have a short-lived revolution, pretty much like every other Brazilian during the chaos of the Regency Period.
 

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Could anything have interested Britain or France to be supportive of the southern revolts in Brazil?

Closer to home, would either Paraguay or Argentina have the interest or capacity to intervene?
 
If this is during the 1820s-1840s/initial period of Latin American independence, then neither Paraguay nor Argentina can intervene. Paraguay's too busy being paranoid about Argentina trying to reconquer them, while Argentina is too busy fighting amongst itself to give much more support than they did OTL.
 

samcster94

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A Portuguese speaking state of Sul is only really possible in the 19th century, and like with Texas(slave ownership was a major factor why it was created), an independent Sul would radically different than what we know even in the 19th century.
 

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A Portuguese speaking state of Sul is only really possible in the 19th century, and like with Texas(slave ownership was a major factor why it was created), an independent Sul would radically different than what we know even in the 19th century.

In what manner would it be like Texas?

Or would it be a mirror image, a breakaway portion of Brazil where slavery is very unimportant?
 

samcster94

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In what manner would it be like Texas?

Or would it be a mirror image, a breakaway portion of Brazil where slavery is very unimportant?
It had ranching as a major industry in OTL at the same time.
Well, all of Brazil had slavery back then, so I am not clear on that, but Uruguay did not.
 
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