South American PODs

maverick

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Following the Trend started by my own precedent, 1001 Arabian PODs (about the muslim world) now I bring you this.

I'll start with Argentina, then move on with other countries...I'm sure Gonzaga would like to start with Brazil.

Anyhow, some of the PODs:

What if...

...Jose Fernando de Abascal had Become Viceroy of La Plata in 1804? The reactionary man, IOTL Viceroy of Peru, might not have prevented the revolution in Buenos Aires, but him not being there in Peru almost guarantees earlier successes for the revolutions in Alto Peru, Ecuador, Chile and Colombia 1809-1810;

...The British Invasions had Succeeded? Either through military means, which was possible, or by presenting themselves as Liberators rather than Conquerors. The Later was the basis of Dan's TL When King Nimrod

...A Monarchy had been created in La Plata between 1809 and 1819? the candidates being the Infanta Carlotta de Borbon in 1809-1810, the Infante Pedro Carlos in the same time period; the Infante Francisco de Paula in 1816; the French Louis Philipe, Duke of Orleans, in 1819 and the Prince of Lucca, in the same year.
 
I think all the possibilities for monarchies have always been a good Latin/South American POD over all.

Earlier POD could include

WI Dutch Colonialism in northern Brazil is more successful.

WI Spain & Portugal remain united under a single crown.

WI no Bourbon monarch in Spain. (This butterflies the Bourbon Reforms which will most likely butterfly the Independence movements as we know them. I also always though that a Habsburg monarch would be much more likely to move the capital to the Americas at some point.)

Possibly the best LatinoWank would be:

WI Bolivar's dream comes true. All Latin America (at leas Gran Colombia and Peru) united as a single Federation.
 
This sounds interesting, as it could have lead to an alliance of South American Spanish-speaking republics against a monarchical Brazil. At least Bolivia/Perú and Argentina would have participated.

Well, Sucre threatened to invade Mato Grosso but Bolivar ordered him to calm down. But such war would be a nightmare to Brazil, especially in the Bolivian front. The logistical problems to reach that region were so hard that the letter from Sucre to Pedro I complaining about the presence of Brazilian troops in Chiquitos arrived to Rio de Janeiro faster than the letter from the governor of Mato Grosso informing the Emperor he had ordered the invasion.
 
WI no War of the Pacific?

Or

since every country in the region had border issues with all the others and were scared of the other's power...

WI Argentina signs the secret alliance with Bolivia and Peru, while Chile does the same with Brazil, and the War of the Pacific turns into a "Uber-War of the Pacific" with Argentina-Bolivia-Peru in one side and Chile-Brazil in the other?


WI Carlos Tejedor deals a heavy blow to the Argentinean Army in his insurrection in 1880, including taking the President and the whole Congress prisioner?
 

maverick

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An old idea I've probably discussed before

The Napoleon of the South: What if Simon Bolivar had seeked to unify the Americas by force?

In the true revolutionary style, he decides to conquer the Spanish Empire by force into his Greater Colombia, occupying Ecuador, Bolivia, Peru and parts of Chile before facing San Martin and O'Higgins...
 

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No US intervention in Guatemala, and its corrolary, the Cuban Revolution without Che.

A more succesful anarchist rebellion in the 1917-25 period in Patagonia.

Divided Brazil (a million PODs possible, but I like a Monarchist north and a Republican south).

General Prats doesn't resign in Chile in the 70's.

Pizarro succeeds in creating a permenant Kngdom of Peru.

Argentina stays out of the Paraguay War.

Chiloe remains Spanish longer.

*Allende actually is a blood thirsty commie would be dictator.
 
An old idea I've probably discussed before

The Napoleon of the South: What if Simon Bolivar had seeked to unify the Americas by force?

In the true revolutionary style, he decides to conquer the Spanish Empire by force into his Greater Colombia, occupying Ecuador, Bolivia, Peru and parts of Chile before facing San Martin and O'Higgins...
That would be a great TL, maverick!:)
 
You could do any number of time lines for a greater Brazil which range from it control Uruguay, to the entirety of the amazon basin, to the manifest destiny of obtaining a pacific port.
 

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You could do any number of time lines for a greater Brazil which range from it control Uruguay, to the entirety of the amazon basin, to the manifest destiny of obtaining a pacific port.

Uruguay or Paraguay can be added to Brazil, but a Pacific port is ASB, I would think. A Brazil divided into 3 or more countries would be more probable:

Republica do Equador
Imperio do Brazil
Republica do Sul
 

maverick

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What if the Liberals had won the Chilean Civil war of 1829-1830?


What if the Peru-Bolivian Confederation had won the war against Chile?

Then Marshall Andres de Santa Cruz becomes the caudillo of the biggest regional and naval power, probably submitting Chile as a puppet eventually, with Callao overshadowing Valparaiso as the main south american port on the pacific.




What if President Balmaceda had won the Chilean Civil war of 1891 against Congress?

The Revolution of 1891 then fails and Balmaceda's authoritarian presidentialism continues to be the rule in Chile.
 
Here is a discussion with no specific POD in mind besides a Maximum Paraguay. One POD I brought up though that wasn't discussed was the idea of an earlier invention of electricicity in Paraguay. This was probably ignored because it is one of my crazier ideas. It came from the feeling that there are tons of north american PODs about earlier inventions of rifle barrels or breech loaders or other technological PODs, but few examples of the like for South America?

So here is the thread:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=128997
 

maverick

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What if Brazil had collapsed as a result of the many civil wars in the 1830s?

What if Rosas had been overthrown during the War of 1840-1842?
Which included but was not limited to:
-War in Uruguay
-Federalist rebellion in the south of buenos aires province
-Federalist rebellion in the heart of Buenos Aires City itself
-Unitarian revolution by the northern provinces, including invasions by Generals Lavalle, which nearly reached Buenos Aires, and General Paz
-Franco-British blockade of the Rio de la Plata

That's right, he faced all of that in less than two years and won...


What if Lavalle had not overthrown Dorrego?

What if the Colombian Civil war of 1899 had gone the other way?
 
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