South American Monarchies

Don't you have manners? Are you able to understand that this is a place where people come to talk and exchange ideas? This is not a battleground. If you can't act civil, then get the fuck out.

And it's not my fault that you are too lazy to go to a library to read the book. Neither is my fault that you are one pathetic ignorant asshole who clearly doesn't know anything.

Stick your rudeness up your ass, because it's where it belongs.

Way to be civil.
 
Way to be civil.

Agreed. Come on fellas, let's try to calm down for a second, shall we?

Anyway, what about Venezuela? I mean, yes, that WAS the birthplace of Bolivar, but what if Bolivar became inspired by Napoleon? I mean, think about it: Napoleon was a republican, too, at one point....but that didn't stop him from going down the imperialist route.
 
Agreed. Come on fellas, let's try to calm down for a second, shall we?

Anyway, what about Venezuela? I mean, yes, that WAS the birthplace of Bolivar, but what if Bolivar became inspired by Napoleon? I mean, think about it: Napoleon was a republican, too, at one point....but that didn't stop him from going down the imperialist route.

I don't think Bolivar would go for it, it alienates the liberals who like him and much like Maxy in Mexico it would make him too liberal for his conservative supporters. In the end this is the problem I see with most of Latin America, the left is almost universally republican while the right still won't support you unless you kowtow to their policies which the liberals hate them for.

But yeah, lecen, lets call a truce. I'm sorry for the whole thing. I just really heavily disagree with your summation of the treatment of the Inca and your calling the very real treatment of the native Americans in both Spain and the US a common misconception simply offensive to all the victims of their rule. Although I must say, its not lazyness that prevents me from going to the library, its the fact that it was ten o'clock at night when I posted that.
 

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What a crock of horseshit. The Inca where treated little better than slaves even after their official slavery had ended, even with the nominal acceptance of the Incan nobility the Incan people where treated far worse than even a Spanish Peasant in the same time period.
If you can't be civil in a reply perhaps it it would be best to forego making one.
 

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Don't you have manners? Are you able to understand that this is a place where people come to talk and exchange ideas? This is not a battleground. If you can't act civil, then get the fuck out.

And it's not my fault that you are too lazy to go to a library to read the book. Neither is my fault that you are one pathetic ignorant asshole who clearly doesn't know anything.

Stick your rudeness up your ass, because it's where it belongs.
Well, that is WAY over the top.

You get a relatively minor insult and you blow a valve to this degree?

I serious suggest that you switch to decaf and engage your brain/finger filter before hitting reply when you come back. If you get insulted, next time use the report button.

Kicked for a week for egregious insults.
 
Maybe Tupac Amaru doesn't revolt in the 1780s, or waits until later on - then you have a good chance of a genuine Incan revival kingdom in Peru/Bolivia.
 
An Inca monarchy would be simply awesome, and probably would live enough if it enjoys supports from the natives/criollos. How likely was Tupac Amaru to suceed?

San Martin was also declared Protector of Peru, effectivily becoming head of state. He didn't accept the title, and probably would not accept a crown though. And Argentina had Portuguese candidates (and a French one, I think?), but I don't know.... they would get too close to the Portuguese monarchy probably. Then again, Brazil turned into a fine independent nation by itself.
 
San Martin was in favor to create a monarchy in Perú, he even sent a team to search in europe a possible prince to rule Perú

An Inca monarchy would be simply awesome, and probably would live enough if it enjoys supports from the natives/criollos. How likely was Tupac Amaru to suceed?

San Martin was also declared Protector of Peru, effectivily becoming head of state. He didn't accept the title, and probably would not accept a crown though. And Argentina had Portuguese candidates (and a French one, I think?), but I don't know.... they would get too close to the Portuguese monarchy probably. Then again, Brazil turned into a fine independent nation by itself.
that had been great, first like Protector, then as a King
 
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