South African "one child policy"

You seem to be assuming there was some sort of widespread goverment medical system used by the black populations, which I don't think ever existed during that era.

If a widespread government network of hospitals and clinics existed, that was used by a significant proportion of the non white population, which could be used as a delivery mechanism for a crazed genocidal policy like proposed then I suspect that SA would have been a very different country entirely. Mustering the political will amongst the white polity to create and fund such a comprehensive government medical system for non Whites (that might later be co-opted by the genocide) would I think imply that SA was a much nicer, caring society than it was in OTL. I can't imagine a pre or Apartheid parliament or electorate supporting a programme to fund such a healthcare system

You would have to have a POD really early in the 20th century I think - perhaps no 2nd Boer War or at least a nicer one, that doesn't help force feed Afrikaner nationalism, to the extent that the Afrikaners later sustain parties like the Hertzog led National Party or the later, reformed "pure" National Party of Malan and the ilk (the latter being the party of Apartheid)
 
You don't need a medical system to subvert, all you need is a water supply to contaminate, or the provision of adulterated food aid. You're not rying to reduce the birth rateto zero in one fell swoop, just reduce average fertility to below the replacement rate.

The only way I think you'd get it is the continuing popularity of eugenics and having the white administrators honestly believing they were doing the right thing by "controlling the fertility of those unable to do so for themselves".
 
Even with conceding your point for the sake of it, it just seems too unbelievable to be honest. The sheer number of non whites to whites would call for a massive sustained effort, in a sense that has never happened anywhere else. Where-else has a small minority effectively undertaken a genocidal/eugenics (chose your label, I prefer the former) programme of this nature?

Plus the dispersed nature of the Black populations especially would still call for a pretty big effort to go around dosing their water supplies (for example). Further, the "will" to do this I think would be lacking for all sorts of reasons - demand for labour for one, then what would happen to the OTL substantial, long term migration (of a kind) of Black populations from outside of South Africa (Mozambique/N Rhodesia (Zambia) etc.

You would need a big effort + a total change in mindset of the white population at a very early point in order for this to work
 
Its not even a matter of being evil enough, untill quite recently mandatory sterilisations weren't considered that controversial. Sending death squads off to forcefully abort undesired children probably is ASB, but involuntarily snipping peoples' tubes while their under your medical care is all too unfortunately plausible.

But as he (and I) mentioned, the Afrikaners were too religious and the English had too much of a conscience to allow that to happen. The Afrikaners would go apeshit, and the rest of Africa would rise up in fury, with both sides of the Iron Curtain looking and saying "F*** those barbarians."

This is impossible.
 
But as he (and I) mentioned, the Afrikaners were too religious and the English had too much of a conscience to allow that to happen. The Afrikaners would go apeshit, and the rest of Africa would rise up in fury, with both sides of the Iron Curtain looking and saying "F*** those barbarians."

This is impossible.

This is utterly ridiculous. Weaver's points earlier sum it all up. South Africa wasn't run by Nazis. It's about as plausible as something occurring in the South.
 

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IMO the only plausible way to achieve a "white" nation in south Africa would be to ethnically cleanse the blacks away from certain areas while simultaneously forcing the whites in.

The first part would be relatively easy. The second...
 
IMO the only plausible way to achieve a "white" nation in south Africa would be to ethnically cleanse the blacks away from certain areas while simultaneously forcing the whites in.

The first part would be relatively easy. The second...

I believe that there would have been other ways to create a 'white' nation in South Africa, but not if we are to consider the whole geographical area of modern South Africa.

I believe that if the Union of South Africa had not occured in 1910, that the Cape Colony could have become majority white by the 21st century. Perhaps not all of the Cape Colony, but in particular what is now the Western Cape province and surrounding areas. I'm don't have exact statistics, but I do know that currently the Coloured population is the majority and that until recently Whites made up a greater percentage of the population than Blacks.

I think if this area had been independent from the rest of South Africa would could see by 2008 a white majority. I was just reading a book about British migration to Australia in the 1950's and 1960's and many of those interviewed discussed the option of moving to South Africa and ultimately decided against it for two main reasons:

1/ Dislike of the apartheid policy of South Africa.

2/ Dislike of the idea of living in a 'black' nations as opposed to a 'white' nation.

Now this own mini-ATL of my own avoids both these. Firstly Cape Colony always has a relatively liberal racial policy. Secondly with the higher population of whites and the fact that most non-whites are Coloureds rather than blacks, there will be more a sense that this nation is similar to nations such as Australia, Canada, etc.

Of course totally off-topic and this probably deserves an ATL of its own, but just thought this would be another way of having a 'white' nation in the South African region.
 
IMO the only plausible way to achieve a "white" nation in south Africa would be to ethnically cleanse the blacks away from certain areas while simultaneously forcing the whites in.

The first part would be relatively easy. The second...

Well the second worked OK in Australia. Just have the POD be earlier and have forced deportation of undesirables and convicts to SA it would contribute to a larger White pop.
 
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