Somehow the south win - how long does slavery persist?

Oh yea the last 5% is unimportant in the long run, it's a waste of time and effort. We can agree that last 5% is just for pride of place, we can call this argument on account of agreement.

Seems like a good way to put it to me. Its hard to admit the other guy had a better point.

So, hopefully for your ego's sake you'll have a chance to put me in that position soon. :D
 
Alright, fellas, let's simmer down for a bit.

BTW, one thing I'd like to ask is: How might Latin America react to slavery? I mean, sure, Brazil was pro-slavery and Mexico was probably still against the "Peculiar Institution", but I'd like to know how the rest of those countries might deal with a surviving independent South.

One of the reasons I ask, is because I am working on a timeline(A Nation, Divided) that deals with just that scenario(but it isn't OTL's Confederacy, though! :D)
 
I think slavery would die out for market reasons as with labour saving tech coming in it would not be economical.

The first economically viable cotton picking machines became available in the 1950s. Even that does not eliminate the social reasons for slavery.
 
Alright, fellas, let's simmer down for a bit.

They did. And it is an amazing and great day in the history of AH.com, I might add. Rarely to we have people act like adults and admit they were wrong and the "victor" be gracious, especially when discussing a topic as charged as slavery. Huzzah!
 
The first economically viable cotton picking machines became available in the 1950s. Even that does not eliminate the social reasons for slavery.

As far as I know the reason for introducing slavery was a labour shortage.
Share cropping OTl replaced Slavery without stopping cotton being grown.
Not sure what you mean by social reasons for slavery.
 
As far as I know the reason for introducing slavery was a labour shortage.

Long since not relevant to its continued existence.

Share cropping OTl replaced Slavery without stopping cotton being grown.
Not sure what you mean by social reasons for slavery.

Owning slaves is prestigious.

Blacks - and only blacks - being slaves means that the poorest white man can say "I may be poor, but thank God I'm not a slave." and feel superior.

Slavery is an extremely effective method of keeping - to use a charged but appropriate phrase - the black man down.

Those are just the first three I can think of.
 
Long since not relevant to its continued existence.



Owning slaves is prestigious.

Blacks - and only blacks - being slaves means that the poorest white man can say "I may be poor, but thank God I'm not a slave." and feel superior.

Slavery is an extremely effective method of keeping - to use a charged but appropriate phrase - the black man down.

Those are just the first three I can think of.

Slavery is also a reasonably efficient method of moving labor around - no where near as efficient as free labor but more efficient than serfdom or any of the "tie the workers directly to the land" methods. By disconnecting the labor from the actual land it becomes possible to move the labor around separate from the land. Of course this brings up the ugly side effects that you brought up earlier of selling people off and breaking up families...
 

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De facto slavery survived until 1941 in a different form in the South. Blacks would be arrested for real or imagined offences, given a fine that the judge knew they could not pay, then either sent to the mines to dig coal or made to work for whites who would pay the fine and then make the blacks work for them. When WW2 broke out and the US needed black soldiers, the FBI cracked down on this neo-slavery.
 
Long since not relevant to its continued existence.



Owning slaves is prestigious.

Blacks - and only blacks - being slaves means that the poorest white man can say "I may be poor, but thank God I'm not a slave." and feel superior.

Slavery is an extremely effective method of keeping - to use a charged but appropriate phrase - the black man down.

Those are just the first three I can think of.

The Slaves can say we maybe Slaves, but at leasts we are not "White Trash".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_trash
 
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