some Question on Suez Crisis POD

i looking for TL were British-French (and Israel) win the 1956 Suez Crisis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_crisis
but I need more info

POD: General De Gaulle becomes president of French 4 Republic in 1945.
wat was De Gaulle opinion to Anthony Eden adventure ?

I play also with Idea of two Chinas: a north Communist and South Kapitalist
last one invade Vietnam durnig Battle of Dien Bien Phu in 1954
to destroy the communist movment there.
wat role would play a Kapitalist China in 1956 crisis ?
because for they economie they need also the Suez channel

one reasion for failure of British-French Operation was
the Soviet threat to help military Egypt (even nuclear Weapons ?)
USSR had also simultaneous the Hungarian revolution !
WI France or England had operational strategic Bombers or MRBM as treath to USSR ?

POD: Frenchs Super-V2 or Britain Valiant or Sperrin Bomber operational in 1956
would they have chance to win the Crisis by threating USSR with nuclear Attack ?
most strategic V-Bomber came operational in 1957
and France had strategic Bombers only at 1964

Wat after Suez Crisis ?
there were proposal of ejecting Britain and France from the NATO
if they had excluded, had this the beginn of a British-French "Friendship" ?
and begin of join venture Programs like Concorde or Mirage IV-K ?
 
Simple PoD and my favourite. Eden's operation in 1953 does not result in a damaged bile duct and consequently he is not afflicted with a number of dibilitating medical conditions and amphetamine influences which severely hampered his judgement and ability to think.

Ergo is this doesn't happen, the whole Suez operation is conducted in a better fashion and because of his ability to react and consider things better than OTL the situation is avoided such as directly pissing of Eisenhower and Dulles (actually thats anther PoD, no Dulles as Eden despised Dulles - it was mutual). The planning within the government is not damned up shit creek by Eden's imbalances and therefore, the whole thing is better planned, organised and carried out.

Militarily, Suez was a fine job. Politics just happened to get in the way.

POD: Frenchs Super-V2 or Britain Valiant or Sperrin Bomber operational in 1956
would they have chance to win the Crisis by threating USSR with nuclear Attack ?
No. Not unless a major PoD happens in this area. Read The Secret State by Peter Hennessy to get the real picture of British nuclear and strategic thinking. The British were totally outclasses in number and will to do so - at least without American backing. If Eden goes off his rocker (possibility) and nukes the Russians, then Britain is left royally fucked. Plain and simple. With or without American support as it is irrelevant. It was concluded that six strategic attacks would knock Britain out of any war and reduce civilian administration to next to nothing and communications and national cohesion near zero. That was their own estimates on their own prospects.

OR

Just have Nasser assassinated by SIS and blame it own the Muslim Brotherhood or something. Nah, to much like a Forsyth novel...
 
Note that the British didn't even end WWII rationing until the Korean War, they were really in poor shape back then.

I also have to concur with the historian who stated that when Eden was told it would take nearly two months for the British to muster sufficient forces to go after Nasser's Egypt, a relatively weak nation, that it was time to recognize that the UK was no longer a major power.
 
Militarily, Suez was a fine job. Politics just happened to get in the way.

I think this is rather too pleasant version of events. It took very long time for Britain and France to muster and concentrate forces against Egypt and the operation itself was performed in slow motion. It lacked the drive, as French General Andre Beaufre put it.
 
i see a TV-doku about Anthony Eden during Suez Crisis

he had not unly medical problem, he was also drug addicted

Benzedrine a Amphetamine (stuff is better know as "Speed")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine

in the 1950s considert as a harmless stimulant,
Anthony Eden take daily dose of Benzedrine
and take massive dosis during the Crisis
until he collabs and had a Nervous breakdown, on highs of crisis

the use of Benzedrine explane allot of Eden decisions who led to the crisis.

were we lucky that Eden had the Nervous breakdown,
otherwise he had start mabye a Nuclear War against USSR ?


another question is: had Eden, if he never had a damaged bile duct.
ever consider to join this french Israel Adventure ?
 
I also have to concur with the historian who stated that when Eden was told it would take nearly two months for the British to muster sufficient forces to go after Nasser's Egypt, a relatively weak nation, that it was time to recognize that the UK was no longer a major power.

Hrmm. Although I have to wonder if Britain in 1937 could have taken a comparable nation to Nasser's Egypt.
 
If you look at the Crisis itself, Israel had walked all the way to the Canal, and the Egyptian army was really outclassed. For France and Britain to hold on to the thing, all we need is the US not giving a shit, instead of making them give it back. Maybe it is decided that this will show those Soviet sons of bitches how capitalists do their stuff...or maybe the US just doesn't care.
 
The preparations for the attack on Egypt were also painful, especially the British refusing to be in the same room as the Israelis, forcing the French to run from one room to the next.

The Israeli government wasn't entirely sure they were to war with the British as an ally or an enemy!:eek:

Then there was the Anglo-French ultimatum ordering both sides to withdraw at least ten miles from the Suez Canal, or, as disbelieving Israelis later put it, for the Egyptians to withdraw and the Israelis to continue the advance for at least another 36 hours as they were still more than 40 miles from the canal.
 
BTW Valiants did serve in Suez, dropping conventional bombs on Egyptian targets, and had dropped a nuke on Australia (that was just for fun) the month before, in October 1956
 
I think, I'm not too sure, that between the nationalisation of the Canal and Op Musketeer the British tested something like 4 nukes. I doubt this was purely a coincidence.
 
i see a TV-doku about Anthony Eden during Suez Crisis

he had not unly medical problem, he was also drug addicted

Benzedrine a Amphetamine (stuff is better know as "Speed")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine

in the 1950s considert as a harmless stimulant,
Anthony Eden take daily dose of Benzedrine
and take massive dosis during the Crisis
until he collabs and had a Nervous breakdown, on highs of crisis

the use of Benzedrine explane allot of Eden decisions who led to the crisis.

were we lucky that Eden had the Nervous breakdown,
otherwise he had start mabye a Nuclear War against USSR ?


another question is: had Eden, if he never had a damaged bile duct.
ever consider to join this french Israel Adventure ?
I don't believe that Eden was that off his rocker to start a nuclear war with Russia. If he was going to, MacMillan (or Butler if he picked up the courage) would likely have stopped him and staged a bloodless 'palace coup' and force him to resign the premiership.
 
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