For a socialist revolution, you need a POD before 1900, IMO, as after 1900, populism or progressivism deflating revolutionary currents is inevitable.
 
If there is to be a post WWII Leftist revolution in America, you would probably need gigantic amounts of Neoliberalism in the US and the USSR abandoning it's "Army too Stronk" policy of projecting cultural dominance.
Well, I'm working on a variant where the USSR, after the death of Stalin, gradually becomes more democratic, and the United States is more reactionary - it discredits the myth of the struggle "Democracy with Totalitarianism."
For a socialist revolution, you need a POD before 1900, IMO, as after 1900, populism or progressivism deflating revolutionary currents is inevitable.
Jello_Biafra has a pretty good POD, but I agree that anything after 1900 is a bad joke.
I do not deny that there may be butterflies even before the beginning of the 20th century, but it is necessary that the general political situation (Stalin, World War II, Revolution in Russia, Fulton Speech) should remain similar to the ОТL.
 
Hard to see any of this happening once Stalinism sets in over the USSR. By then it's too late.
The United States exterminated the native population of America. Two atomic bombs were dropped on peaceful cities. McCarthyism. The shooting at the University of Kent. Napalm in Vietnam .... Nevertheless, at the end of the 20th century the "American Empire" was triumphant. You are right if you say that for the victory it is necessary to overcome Stalinism, to break out of the trap of bureaucratic dictatorship. But let's not pretend that the Americans were "good guys" - the same monsters as in the NKVD.
 
The United States exterminated the native population of America. Two atomic bombs were dropped on peaceful cities. McCarthyism. The shooting at the University of Kent. Napalm in Vietnam .... Nevertheless, at the end of the 20th century the "American Empire" was triumphant. You are right if you say that for the victory it is necessary to overcome Stalinism, to break out of the trap of bureaucratic dictatorship. But let's not pretend that the Americans were "good guys" - the same monsters as in the NKVD.

What I meant was that Stalinism permanently crippled the Soviet Union itself, making it much weaker as an alternative to the capitalist West, and somewhat poisoned the exportation of revolutionary communism (although not in East Asia, Cuba, etc). It would have been better to just get some standard Leninist in charge of the USSR after Lenin's death to vastly improve the Soviet Union and also make revolutionary socialism more attractive worldwide, including in the USA.
 
What I meant was that Stalinism permanently crippled the Soviet Union itself, making it much weaker as an alternative to the capitalist West, and somewhat poisoned the exportation of revolutionary communism (although not in East Asia, Cuba, etc). It would have been better to just get some standard Leninist in charge of the USSR after Lenin's death to vastly improve the Soviet Union and also make revolutionary socialism more attractive worldwide, including in the USA.
One-sided interpretation: I have already thought about this, for the Soviet Union this is the only option - Industrialization, Collectivization ...
 
One-sided interpretation: I have already thought about this, for the Soviet Union this is the only option - Industrialization, Collectivization ...

Yes but must those only options have to include the Great Purge and Moscow Show Trials, the Holodomor and Great Famine, strangling and abolishing the Comintern, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the Doctor's Plot, and the Cult of Personality?

A standard Leninist could still have carried out industrialisation and collectivisation.
 
Yes but must those only options have to include the Great Purge and Moscow Show Trials, the Holodomor and Great Famine, strangling and abolishing the Comintern, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the Doctor's Plot, and the Cult of Personality?

A standard Leninist could still have carried out industrialisation and collectivisation.
I'll think about it...
 


African-American and white soldiers at a base in Italy during World War II.

https://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/desegregation/large/index.php?action=bg

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If de-segregation had come a little bit earlier in the war, the entire Civil Rights movement might have been easier, more matter-of-fact, and more successful. Combine this with a higher trajectory for labor unions, and I think you might have it.

Now, is this a revolution? Well, prior to the Great Depression, corporations were essentially running things regardless of what we might have taught in school. In this progressive timeline, by the late '40s and early '50s, that's no longer the case. Sounds like a revolution to me! Just a slower, more peaceful--and more successful--revolution. ;)
 
have civil rights movement and white flight/backlash be more strong. Southern Christian fundamentalism much more visible. have Jim Crow remain. America is more of an apartheid state.

Police crackdowns, riots, more cities burning. proof of CIA or FBI involvement in assassinations of civil rights leaders and supporters.

have the rich poor divide increase. more oligarch types .. Vietnam continues and the draft singling out minorities.

JFK, LBJ get the bullet .. RFK.. turns out to be CIA or some fool thing for real

Basically America burns its own

So basically a US that resembles the government of South Vietnam.
 
So basically a US that resembles the government of South Vietnam.
I was thinking one That really only cares about whites, white males...

one where others are second class.. More militant on all sides.

have it proven the government is behind high profile domestic assassinations that sparks things off and brings the whole house to collapse
 
It is about things much more basic - about the elimination of private ownership of the means of production.
Why can't we have one where, for example, Big Pharma doesn't run things, but instead we the regular, everyday citizens run things? I think we can, and I think such would have been possible in the mid to late '40s.

And in bargaining where unions have, say, somewhere in the neighborhood of 55% power and usually use it very effectively thank you very much. And where we're very much in favor of economic growth and expanding the middle class as the engine of the whole thing.

To me, such is a much more thorough-going revolution than utopian schemes of those who might call themselves men and women of the left. (utopian schemes that leave them in positions of power) Ha! . . . So, one vote that the peaceful revolution really is a revolution. :)
 
Why can't we have one where, for example, Big Pharma doesn't run things, but instead we the regular, everyday citizens run things? I think we can, and I think such would have been possible in the mid to late '40s.

And in bargaining where unions have, say, somewhere in the neighborhood of 55% power and usually use it very effectively thank you very much. And where we're very much in favor of economic growth and expanding the middle class as the engine of the whole thing.

To me, such is a much more thorough-going revolution than utopian schemes of those who might call themselves men and women of the left. (utopian schemes that leave them in positions of power) Ha! . . . So, one vote that the peaceful revolution really is a revolution. :)
The so-called "middle class" is not a full-fledged class. It is impossible to talk about the power of trade unions while factories belong to the bourgeois.
 
Yes but must those only options have to include the Great Purge and Moscow Show Trials, the Holodomor and Great Famine, strangling and abolishing the Comintern, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the Doctor's Plot, and the Cult of Personality?

A standard Leninist could still have carried out industrialisation and collectivisation.

I'll think about it...

Have you had a think about it?

Basically, Stalinism was the gravedigger of communism. The damage Stalin did to communism during his reign - especially in the interwar period - is immeasurable.
 
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