Social democrats in German Empire

BlondieBC

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As always, knowing somebody personal and that guy having money often overcome prejudices...

You're of course right that antisemitism is widespread, but given that both quotes come from after WWI and from a man that is well known to speak fast and think later, let's assume that he just shares the prejudices of a typical Prussian junker. Which still means that he won't like immigration of thousands of "Ostjuden" - but the Oppenheims, Ballin or Rathenau wouldn't either...

If one uses Ludendorff book and his actions as the typical Prussian officer, one comes up with a social ranking near to this one:

1) Prussian nobility.
2) Prussian officers
3) Other German officers
4) Prussian enlisted.
5) Other Germans. Germanized Jews would fall in here.
6) Big Gap - Austrians and other Allies. Easy to fall out of this category.
7) Another big Gap. OstJews.
8) Baltic peoples.
9) Another Huge Gap - Poles and Eastern Slavs.

So yes, the Prussians Officers look down on most people. IMO, in a win, the bigger issue would be Jews that did not become Germanized as opposed to just Jews. Jews that refuse to adopt "enough" German culture would face a slow decline down the social strata of German.
 
If one uses Ludendorff book and his actions as the typical Prussian officer, one comes up with a social ranking near to this one:

1) Prussian nobility.
2) Prussian officers
3) Other German officers
4) Prussian enlisted.
5) Other Germans. Germanized Jews would fall in here.
6) Big Gap - Austrians and other Allies. Easy to fall out of this category.
7) Another big Gap. OstJews.
8) Baltic peoples.
9) Another Huge Gap - Poles and Eastern Slavs.

So yes, the Prussians Officers look down on most people. IMO, in a win, the bigger issue would be Jews that did not become Germanized as opposed to just Jews. Jews that refuse to adopt "enough" German culture would face a slow decline down the social strata of German.

Interesting, never read that book but I would have assumed that Ludendorff ranked Eastern Jews the lowest. The more you know...

Naturally, this is as stupid as one can get. Even if many Eastern Jews were poorly educated, the spoke a language very close to German. If Germany had taken their side, they'd been loyal allies and citizens. If Wilhelm II. had accepted, he could have had hundrets of thousands of settlers for the German colonies, and Jews all over the world would have payed for their infrastructure.
 

BlondieBC

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Interesting, never read that book but I would have assumed that Ludendorff ranked Eastern Jews the lowest. The more you know...

Naturally, this is as stupid as one can get. Even if many Eastern Jews were poorly educated, the spoke a language very close to German. If Germany had taken their side, they'd been loyal allies and citizens. If Wilhelm II. had accepted, he could have had hundrets of thousands of settlers for the German colonies, and Jews all over the world would have payed for their infrastructure.

Well, Ostjews were the most friendly towards the Germans, therefore the best. So of the non-German people in Russia, they were the best. This is why the way the OstJews act will be more important than religion. If seen as useful and loyal in a win, they will be treated pretty good. In Ludendorff mind, supply Germany with war materials (metal and food) made you a good person, race. It also is important to understand why the Jews were persecuted after the war by the Poles. Some Poles saw the Jews as looters who had been selling Polish property to the German occupiers. Under German occupation rules, possession was title, so if a person showed up with the door knobs off the local church, the Germans would buy, no questions asked. Part of Poland and Belgium post war issues was the de-metalization program of the Germans.

As to reading the book, it does not have much value. I had to read for the TL because he was admin of much of Poland.
 
There are may ways for the CP to win.
Are there? Then why has nobody, in two threads, come up with even half a decent way? Maybe because reformed Austria isn't quite enough?

As to 1919 end of the war, you need better food in Germany and A-H. The Easiest ways are Italy stays out of the war or Romania stay out of the war.
And, It wasn't just food - it was also manpower for replacement, and that wouldn't change . Or why would the BRITAIN that had sea supply have to leave?


Grey Wolf, OTL, the lines began to move earlier, when tank doctrine was figured out. That's because the armor lets you get in a charge without it being immediately stopped by bullets. That means there's no dependence on that attack for our victory, and it might well happen, anyway, because they'd be similarly frustrated TTL, IMHO.
 
So there is no way that a victorious german empire could become a republic sometime ?

Changing your constitutional head of state (and in this case hte constitution completely) typically require a steep crisis of the state. Victory in WWI does not count as one.

You can, however, fabricate such a crisis following WWI. Say Inflation, bad economiy development, unemployment of the soldiers returning, bad handling of the Eastern European vassal states including repeated armed interventions, colonial wars, Red scare from Russia...
 
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