So they won.... what next?

I have noticed a plethora of CP victory threads as of late, and while I am not as read-up on World War One that other modern wars, I have been following these threads with great interest.

My thought is is what would the CP do AFTER they won? WOuld Germany go onto fight more wars later down the track, could the Ottomans (who were called the Sick Man of Europe) and the Austrians hold ointo their empires or would they still fall apart....

Other quiestions I am asking myself and now you is....

* Would there still be a sort of World War Two and a Cold War...
* Would a war-exhausted but victorius Germany have any effect on the rise of Bolshevism in Russia (remembering the Germans got Lenin from Switrzerland to Russia in 1917)
* Would there still be a Great Depression and the like.
*What would be the more obvious features of a modern world of 2008 stemming from this POD.
 
Well, the first thing Germany would do would be to meddle in Russia, and its Civil War, I suspect...
If the POD is late enough, or things go parallel enough.
But, you haven't actually said what the POD is: if it is late, Austria-Hungary will have problems surviving. The Ottomans are in a better position, actually... The Ottomans wouldn't fall apart on their own, I think, altough Germany might sell them out to Britain.

But, we need more details, really. That's the problem with almost all '...In a CP-Victorious World'-type threads.
 
Okay for arguments sake lets say the German offensives in 1918 cause the French to ask for a armistice after a general mutiny throughout their army... with France out of the war, Britain struggled on for another 6 weeks or so before they too quit the war.

Is this enough information?
 
Okay for arguments sake lets say the German offensives in 1918 cause the French to ask for a armistice after a general mutiny throughout their army... with France out of the war, Britain struggled on for another 6 weeks or so before they too quit the war.

Is this enough information?
Ah, a late peace, then. Well, Austria-Hungary is probably doomed, altough something might be salvegeable. I'd say that there's a fair chance of Germany annexing what would have become Slovenia, Austria and Czechia. If the A-H falls apart, at least, and there isn't victorious allies to stop Germany from annexing Austria, then the primary reason, on both sides, why Austria hadn't joined Germany is removed (namely, the Habsburg Empire). The Habsburgs might not be keen, but the people of Austria is very likely to be!
The Ottomans... well, it depends on whether Germany sells them our, or not, really. If they do, then Britain's picking up big parts of their Empire, I'd say.
If not, then a return to the pre-war situation is likely, at least in practical terms (the Khedivate might, or might not, be restored, for instance).
And Germany would meddle in the Russian Civil War, which would affect Bolshevikism.

As for whether there would be a Great Depression... probably not, but that's not the same thing as there not being major recessions.

A Second World War, and a Cold War are, hm, very dependent upon how things turn out after the war.

The *most* obvious feature of a 2008 from that POD is probably that Germany is either much stronger, and more influential, or much weaker, possibly even non-existent (being partitioned).
There's a good chance of eugenics being more accepted, too...
But, so much hinges upon how things develop further down the road in TTL. For instance, whether there is a second Great War, and who wins it if there is.
 

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*The Ottomans could either collapse as a result of war-related stress or hang on for a very, very long time.

*The Austro-Hungarian Empire is probably doomed, even if the CP wins the war. The Austrian half will be absorbed by Germany, while the Hungarian half will become an independent Kingdom of Hungary. Hungary will probably have a figurehead Hapsburg monarch with no real power, with real power being in the hands of a Hungarian Prime Minister.

*Romania, Poland, Ukraine, Finland, and the Baltics will all become puppets of Germany with Hohenzollern princes on their respective thrones.

*I doubt Germany would let the Bolsheviks take power in Russia. This could potentially lead to World War 1.5, as Germany tries to install a government of its choosing. And we all know what happens whenever someone tries to march to Moscow :eek:

*Germany would probably annex Belgium and the Belgian Congo.

*The Brits, Australians, and Japanese siezed all of Germany's Pacific territiories at the beginning of the War, and thus could use them as bargaining chips in potential peace negotiations. So the British Empire comes out in fair shape: they keep Suez, India, and most of their African possessions. They might have to give up some minor territories, but overall their territorial situation will be ok. Their economic situation, on the other hand, is a different story.

*The British will crush the Irish rebellion far more brutally

*France is likely to be in terrible shape: the 3rd Republic is probably doomed, but it's amazing that it lasted until 1940 in OTL. Where France goes next is anyone's guess. Communist? Fascist? Anarcho-Syndicalist? Monarchist? Who knows. My guess is Civil Disorder and possibly Civil War.
 
Well, the first thing Germany would do would be to meddle in Russia, and its Civil War, I suspect...
If the POD is late enough, or things go parallel enough.
But, you haven't actually said what the POD is: if it is late, Austria-Hungary will have problems surviving. The Ottomans are in a better position, actually... The Ottomans wouldn't fall apart on their own, I think, altough Germany might sell them out to Britain.

But, we need more details, really. That's the problem with almost all '...In a CP-Victorious World'-type threads.

Sure, the Ottomans will not fall apart on their own since they don't actually have an empire anymore. Keeping a long-opressed Kurdish and Armenian minorities fighting each other is their main problem now.
 
Sure, the Ottomans will not fall apart on their own since they don't actually have an empire anymore. Keeping a long-opressed Kurdish and Armenian minorities fighting each other is their main problem now.
Long oppressed?
Not true. It's a pity Abdul isn't here.
The Kurds were not oppressed, and the Armenians were it mostly because Bad Things had happened in recent memory vis-a-vis their loyalty to the Empire.

One shouldn't confuse the situation in Turkey with that in the Ottoman Empire.
 
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