So If Hitler's Reich Was Suppose to Last 1000 Years....

This.

Which isn't even getting into that it's basically impossible for Nazi Germany to beat the Soviet Union. Seriously, it's almost at Sealion levels, and the successes they did have were ludicrous as is.
 
Hang on a moment, the OP clearly has a Fatherland-type scenario, so the US/UK and Germany are at peace. A cold peace but still peace. This is different to a Calbear Anglo-Nazi war scenario (a great timeline and AH story) where both sides are still at war even during the nonshooting years. Are you really thinking that in this ATL where the Nazis have nukes too (as in Fatherland), that if word finally gets out about the Holocaust then the Americans decide "now we launch a nuclear war"?

There's no information here about the balance of forces but the only way the Nazis would have got out of WW2 with control of Europe is if they had something like military parity including with nuclear weapons. Yes, I agree it wouldn't happen but the OP assumes we suspend disbelief and it has somehow happened. For this scenario to then occur we have to assume the Nazis are a superpower with considerable military and nuclear forces, enough to protect their empire. If that's the case the US or anyone else is not going to let the missiles fly in moral outrage because that would lead to everyone losing in a massive nuclear exchange.

The West has come to terms with genocidal monsters before, or limited retaliation to economic and diplomatic moves. I think that would the outcome here - disgust, indignation, attempts to weaken the Nazi regime etc but not WW3. The President of the US is not going to sacrifice New York or Washington DC in revenge for Auschwitz.

As Calbear's timeline showed any long surviving Nazi regime will probably lead to such a distorted racistly ideological nightmare of a society that the normal patterns of political and moral discourse that we take for granted don't exist. That would unfortunately limit the effectiveness of any political pressure applied.
 
The nazi education system was fucked, their economy was built around war, its doubtful they would respect nature...
I'd give them until the 80s at an absolute max. More likely the 60s. Before they come down Soviet style.

"A thousand years" was just the omnicidal man-child's way of saying "For-EV-VER!
Yeah, pretty much.
 
Ironically enough, they would. They were sort of big on the animal rights and what passed as 'green' and 'ecology' for that time.
True.
But they were also big on mega projects.
They'd build giant dams and divert rivers and ultimately fuck a lot up.
 

Esopo

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Hitler's idea of future was that europe was going to fight an unified resurgent asia "far east of the urals" as he writes on the Mein Kampf.
 
When one is talking about an overgrown self centered man-child who creates a modern religion of "Blood for the blood god" one should not be surprised when he thingks and speaks in terms like "Forever, and ever" and has no concept of even how to run a country for the next ten years.
 
I don't think news of the holocaust leaking out would dent Nazi Germany. Nazi propaganda was incredibly insidious and powerful. There was more than just top-down megaphone work; Goebbels had the ability to construct a reality out of thin air.

First off the incredible power of dramatic propaganda (not something anybody can really escape these days, but at least there's a plurality of viewpoints today and people are instinctively sceptical because if you believed everything you saw on TV you'd have everything but your organs harvested by lunchtime). If I give you a political book, you're going to read it but the idea that it might be propaganda will never be far away.

OTOH, if I show you a propaganda movie, or worse again a long succession of them, it remains powerful even if you're suspicious of it. This is because you're viewing the action rather than judging a text. The events occur right in front of your eyes so that even if you're suspicious it still bypasses the logical mind and goes straight into the subconscious.

In addition to cinema and TV they also had (for example)...

The ability to turn people into marionettes. E.g. a Hiter Youth group are instructed to give reports on a propaganda broadcast. Each must address the group and parrot the party line. Because the participants cannot communicate safely with each other, they're each left with the impression that all the others believe the message wholeheartedly.

The astroturf manoeuvre. Goebbels was a past master at this. Nazi party functionaries would be given anecdotes and jokes to relate loudly in Cafés, bars and other public places. The propaganda message was often covert and subtle.

The phony debate. Orchestrate superficially vigorous debate on some topic but with one team deliberately pulling its punches.

The theatrical event. E.g. The Kristallnacht. Having organised the pogrom himself, Hitler stepped in after a few days in the guise of a restraining personality. This combines the astroturf and phony debates into national-scale political theatre.

Add in lavish state resources devoted to 'positive' propaganda lionizing the Nazi edifice into that brew and you have a mix it would be barely possible to resist unless you had extensive prior exposure to free media.

Even if the Holocaust had been carried out to a conclusion, the Jewish spectre would remain part of Nazi propaganda simply because it was a key crutch of the regime psychologically. They literally couldn't do without the Jewish bugbear.
 
The problem with German propaganda was that it was the one thing they were REALLY good at, their techniques were and are so effective that they are used by the modern conservative movement even today.

SO news of suicide bombers would never reach the German people and would be disbelieved any any German military not on scene for the incident.

So Suicide Bombers=fail.
 

b12ox

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I don't think news of the holocaust leaking out would dent Nazi Germany. Nazi propaganda was incredibly insidious and powerful. There was more than just top-down megaphone work; Goebbels had the ability to construct a reality out of thin air.
The news of holocaust were already leaking out in 1942 and 1943, German concentration camps and its goals were known as soon as they were employed. It did dent Nazi Germany since infuential Jews in America knew what was going on.

Hitler was talking about moving troops to India and the middle east in July when Barbarossa was flying. They assumed they would be in Moscow in a couple of weeks and since the troops were there why not take the shot and conquer the soft underbelly of the Soviet Union. In the real world they would have had to meet relocated reorganized and still sitting on oil Russians first. In the perfect Nazi world the bolsheviks were drank and waiting in stupor to be taken care of, to the extend the Nazis begun to believe in what they wished upon. Had the case scenario of wishful thinking worked for Nazis, they should have had not much of a problem to prolong the thrust as far as south Asia where they would face American-Japanes conflict zone. I don't think that even the Japanese wanted them there.

With millions of slave labour, assigned to various degrees of ausrottung Nazis would build stuff, no doubt about that. They built highways for a donut using salvaged labour from the great depression. They had know-how and would have had resources.
 
The news of holocaust were already leaking out in 1942 and 1943, German concentration camps and its goals were known as soon as they were employed. It did dent Nazi Germany since infuential Jews in America knew what was going on.

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I think the role of rumour in war is underestimated here. There was widespread suspicion that something awful was happening but not certainty. Even troops witnessing anti-partisan actions in the East were poorly positioned to accurately interpret them. After all, such actions were often prompted by local vengeance against the Germans' mercenary auxiliaries.

A German hearing rumours of the Holocaust could either err on the side of doubt or of credulity. Doubt would tend to reinforce the moral character of whatever sacrifices he/she had previously made in the cause of patriotism. Credulity on the other hand would transform prior patriotic sacrifices -- understood as moral acts -- into culpability for a moral atrocity.

Once people have convinced themselves something wrong is reality good and just, and in particular once they've made sacrifices in pursuit of that goal, they'll tend to cling to that viewpoint for dear life.
 

b12ox

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They were rumors about jewish ghetos and concentration camps. It was not tied to retaliation Nazi politics but Nazi ideological premise. Those were accounts from locals and published in newspapers in the US. Insiders must have known the whole thing. It was in Poland mostly, hard to keep it quiet.
 
They were rumors about jewish ghetos and concentration camps. It was not tied to retaliation Nazi politics but Nazi ideological premise. Those were accounts from locals and published in newspapers in the US. Insiders must have known the whole thing. It was in Poland mostly, hard to keep it quiet.

Well *we* know it wasn't related to retaliation. OTOH, *we* don't have a powerful inducement to believe it was.
 
The nazi education system was fucked, their economy was built around war, its doubtful they would respect nature...

I thought Hitler IOTL never geared up for a total war economy until very late in the Second World War, as he thought Russia would all be over in a matter of months. Factories that should've been retooled for production of war materiel were still churning out consumer products as a propaganda measure (rationing wasn't enforced for quite a while) to keep the citizens placated and happy, IIRC.
 
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