So how far could Magyarization go?

Redcoat

Banned
Let's say for whatever reason that the Ausgleich happens earlier or that the Hungarians are more successful in Magyarization of the minorities in their kingdom. How much could they reasonably assimilate?
 
I can't give you any numbers without the date of a POD but it is possible for Magyarization to assimilate more Slovaks and Croats if it begins earlier than in OTL. However the Romanians and the Serbians have a religious barrier alongside an ethnic one that creates extra resistance to assimilation policies trying to turn them into good and orderly Hungarians.
 

Redcoat

Banned
I can't give you any numbers without the date of a POD but it is possible for Magyarization to assimilate more Slovaks and Croats if it begins earlier than in OTL. However the Romanians and the Serbians have a religious barrier alongside an ethnic one that creates extra resistance to assimilation policies trying to turn them into good and orderly Hungarians.
I was thinking either an Ausgleich around 1815 or a surviving AH to modern day
 
With a Pod in the 19th c. things look bleak. Complete magyarisation of the Romani population / gypsies is your best bet.

Much earlier, e.g. with an Orthodox Hungary, assimilation of Serbs, Romanians etc. all seem possible, although not guaranteed.
 
Looking at the ethnic maps of Transylvania after WW1, the Romanians assimilated the Hungarians pretty well. I don't see how the opposite couldn't happen.
 
Looking at the ethnic maps of Transylvania after WW1, the Romanians assimilated the Hungarians pretty well.
No they didn't. I don't have access to the figures you have, but a degree of changes unrelated to migration which doesn't have to be assimilation is, at the threshold of modern bureaucracy, how e.g. bilingual and polyethnic families registered always as the ethnicity which suited them politically (which changed nothing else in their lives really).
 
Magyarization played a large role as to why Hungary lost its war of independence in 1848 so a post Napoleonic POD may be too early to assimilate the Croats, Slovaks, Romanians etc.
 
No they didn't. I don't have access to the figures you have, but a degree of changes unrelated to migration which doesn't have to be assimilation is, at the threshold of modern bureaucracy, how e.g. bilingual and polyethnic families registered always as the ethnicity which suited them politically (which changed nothing else in their lives really).
Just looking at the ethnic composition at the wiki paints an interesting picture. Hungarians were treated extremely harshly under Ceaucescu and it shows.
 
The earliest, the Hungarianisation could possibly begin is during Joseph II's reign. Have him to be a bit more pragmatic, make Hungarian the official language, support an earlier "language renewal". Reverse Maria Theresa's inner customs border, then encourage the establishment of industry within Hungary. With gaining the support of a newly established Middle Class and of the lesser nobility, you can keep the pesky magnates in check and you can pave the way for a rapid development in the upcoming decades, which will naturally bring an earlier Hungarianisation of the country.
 
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