Smaller Yugoslavia

I've read, that, there was a proposal after World War I for Serbia only to take Bosnia-Herzegovina and parts of Croatia. What if Serbia had accepted the proposal? Could this smaller Yugoslavia have survived?
 
It would have gust been greater Serbia in that case but a suppose it could have been more stable, unfortunately that taratory still has a ton of minoratys.
 
I've read, that, there was a proposal after World War I for Serbia only to take Bosnia-Herzegovina and parts of Croatia. What if Serbia had accepted the proposal? Could this smaller Yugoslavia have survived?

Greater Serbia it is.
Unless a major war or a revolution unfolds there, it survives.
 
The issue is the area is already controlled by the state of croats, slovenes and serbs which merged with Serbia to create Yugoslavia. You need to get stop the creation of this state for this to work.
 
Yup, Greater Serbia including Montenegro, Kosovo, most of Bosnia, Slavonia, Krajina and maybe North Macedonia.
 
The issue is the area is already controlled by the state of croats, slovenes and serbs which merged with Serbia to create Yugoslavia. You need to get stop the creation of this state for this to work.

Being a 'child' of the side that just lost the war, the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs have had a very small leverage vs. Kingdom of Serbia that ended the war as a member of winning side. So in case Kingdom of Serbia wants to expand westwards/northwards, it will be very much done so.

Yup, Greater Serbia including Montenegro, Kosovo, most of Bosnia, Slavonia, Krajina and maybe North Macedonia.

What Krajina - Sinjska, Imotska, Bosanska, Vojna?
 
Being a 'child' of the side that just lost the war, the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs have had a very small leverage vs. Kingdom of Serbia that ended the war as a member of winning side. So in case Kingdom of Serbia wants to expand westwards/northwards, it will be very much done so.
Whats the point in fighting a country which wants to join you.It doesn't make any sense.
 
Whats the point in fighting a country which wants to join you.It doesn't make any sense.

In this scenario, it is not about joining; even in OTL there was no referendum about joining, so the wish to join is highly debatable. Here is about one side comes out and basically says:
Give me province A, province B, province C, etc. These provinces are to became part of my realm, I'll rule them as I see fit, you have no say in how I rule them.

The weaker side can either fold to the request, or try to dispute that with armed forces they have, so we have Greece vs. Turks situation, where Serbs have much smaller task to acomplish than Greeks had, and their opponent has smaller military and next to no ally.
 
In this scenario, it is not about joining; even in OTL there was no referendum about joining, so the wish to join is highly debatable.
The government still willing merged with Serbia. why would Serbia reject all the territory they wanted and more offered on golden platter, just to fight with a country which wants to join them.
 
I've read, that, there was a proposal after World War I for Serbia only to take Bosnia-Herzegovina and parts of Croatia. What if Serbia had accepted the proposal? Could this smaller Yugoslavia have survived?

Who proposed this? The Croats were willing to join the new South Slav state (not realizing how centralized it would become or that traditional borders within it would be abolished) and the Serbs wanted it. So it's hard for me to see unification not happening.

Now it is true that if Italy had been granted Dalmatia (as had been agreed in the secret Treaty of London in 1915) Yugoslavia would only have part of Croatia, but it would still have plenty of ethnic Croats.
 
The government still willing merged with Serbia. why would Serbia reject all the territory they wanted and more offered on golden platter, just to fight with a country which wants to join them.

The territory comes with people. 'Greater Serbia' (= Kingdom of Serbia + lands where is a lot of Serbs) has advantage of having a more homogenous Serb population than the 'Kingdom of SHS'. That might be a better chioce on the long run, since there will be less of a pressure to give non-Serbs any kind of autonomy.
 
Who proposed this? The Croats were willing to join the new South Slav state (not realizing how centralized it would become or that traditional borders within it would be abolished) and the Serbs wanted it. So it's hard for me to see unification not happening.

Croatian Sabor (assembly) did not aprooved the joining before it was done, there was no referendum in Croatia or Serbia or enywhere, while Serb forces killed and arrested in Zagreb already in December 1918 the ones that were not afraid to voice against the join.
link (can be easily translated)
 
Who proposed this? The Croats were willing to join the new South Slav state (not realizing how centralized it would become or that traditional borders within it would be abolished) and the Serbs wanted it. So it's hard for me to see unification not happening.

Now it is true that if Italy had been granted Dalmatia (as had been agreed in the secret Treaty of London in 1915) Yugoslavia would only have part of Croatia, but it would still have plenty of ethnic Croats.

I misremembered, what was said in https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/greater-serbia-not-yugoslavia.194427/#post-4491694 by the now banned user abc123 was, that, Pašić supported the annexation of only Bosnia-Herzegovina, Dalmatia, Slavonia and Vojvodiana but, that, Regent Alexander was greedy and wanted all of Croatia and Slovenia, too.
 
The territory comes with people. 'Greater Serbia' (= Kingdom of Serbia + lands where is a lot of Serbs) has advantage of having a more homogenous Serb population than the 'Kingdom of SHS'.
Expect the fact it is willing to join will encourage the Pan-Yugoslav factions and gaining the territory without a fight will be appealing to the Greater Serb faction.
 
Expect the fact it is willing to join will encourage the Pan-Yugoslav factions and gaining the territory without a fight will be appealing to the Greater Serb faction.

The Greater Serb faction was already well represented by Nikola Pašić and King/regent himself.
Pan-Yugoslav factions didnd't need encouraging - they gave the Kigndom of S.H.&S. to Serbia per OTL, without actually having aproval by assemblies in Ljubljana, Zagreb or Sarajevo, or a confirmation via referendum.
 
Croatian Sabor (assembly) did not aprooved the joining before it was done, there was no referendum in Croatia or Serbia or enywhere, while Serb forces killed and arrested in Zagreb already in December 1918 the ones that were not afraid to voice against the join.
link (can be easily translated)

My understanding, though, is that even those like Radić who rejected the National Council of Slovenes, Serbs, and Croats' decision for union with Serbia did not actually oppose union per se; they had simply wanted it to take the from of a loose confederation.
 
My understanding, though, is that even those like Radić who rejected the National Council of Slovenes, Serbs, and Croats' decision for union with Serbia did not actually oppose union per se; they had simply wanted it to take the from of a loose confederation.

Herein lies the rub. One set of politicians already (in 1917) signed the Corfu declaration that does not stipulate any kind of federation, let alone a loose Confederation; then we have some other politicians that hoped for the best after the fait acompli, then another set of politicians (from 'Party of rights' mostly) that saw the new state of things as it really was - loss of the just won independence to Belgrade.
 
I've read, that, there was a proposal after World War I for Serbia only to take Bosnia-Herzegovina and parts of Croatia. What if Serbia had accepted the proposal? Could this smaller Yugoslavia have survived?

Have Italy do less well, or be openly denied Dalmatia. As long as Italy is able to threaten Slovenes and Croats, they will flock to Serbia for protection. And Serbia has really no reason to deny it.
 
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