Slaves, sex and souterners

I disagree, the "Indian" statement is a phenotypical term to denote a native look. One sees for example in the Dominican Republic the term Indio to describe a look but the racial terminologies of Afro-Latino peoples is hard for people to grasp.

It's like the term Jabao: very flat, wide and thick features, pale skin, blonde or red hair


I also believe many "Indians" in black American families are simply Malagasy, I have Malagasy Ancestry and cousins have Malagasy genetic Markers it's easy to see how a Malagasy can be perceived as being half Native American if you had no concept of and Asian in pre-Antebellum South.

Muhammad Ali, Benjamin Jealous, and many other black Americans also have Malagasy ancestry that is mistakenly referred to as Indian, hell my (maternal) grandma said she was Madaglasski Creek Indian. To be far though Malagasy Slaves were rather racist towards Bantu so it's easy to see why they were differentiated in our collective memory.

I was referring to some studies done using genetic markers a la 23 And Me. Enough people expecting to find Amerind ancestry due to family legend found nothing of the sort, and just a mix of markers that almost always come from either European or African origins. People started wondering why that was so; and the theory that it was a family history with more agency than the reality seems believable enough.

And wouldn't Malagasy ancestry being a half step above Equatorial kind of go to that as well? One assumes there was a power differential there, certainly not as much as there was between white and black, but present none the less.
 

Benevolent

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I was referring to some studies done using genetic markers a la 23 And Me. Enough people expecting to find Amerind ancestry due to family legend found nothing of the sort, and just a mix of markers that almost always come from either European or African origins. People started wondering why that was so; and the theory that it was a family history with more agency than the reality seems believable enough.

And wouldn't Malagasy ancestry being a half step above Equatorial kind of go to that as well? One assumes there was a power differential there, certainly not as much as there was between white and black, but present none the less.

I haven't met/shared results a single person on my 23andme who is black that doesn't have some native american, if not I usually see Southeast Asian, general East Asian or Oceania but maybe it's because they are all distant cousins? Like even on conservative I have a sliver of South Asian.

Malagasy were among the first slaves to be en mass brought to South Carolina. People have a tendency to either not know or forget but that colony is an essence Barbados on mainland thanks to white and black migration there and at that time Barbados had the largest proportion of Malagasy slaves in the Anglo-New world.

Dutch New York, early Massachusetts and Rhode Island and eventually Virginia also had regions of significant Malagasy ancestry but by the 1800's Malagasy were status symbols and some were found from Tennessee through to Georgia and Maryland.

The Sakalava "Empire" was in full swing, they were enslaving the Highlander populations and those more often Asian looking slaves became part of basically a sex slave speciality (Robert Reed Church descended from one)

There is also a secondary wave of free Malagasy people who were sailors, merchants and even some of the elite who sought refuge among free black communities but basically ALL Malagasy descendants who were raised with stories of being Malagasy were kinda taught that we were better, or that we/our ancestor(s) were distinct.

I can post some links but there was even a case of a Mississippi slave woman who stabbed a enslave black man for calling her a nigger because as a descendant of an Inkspitter (betel nut chewing Malagasy) she was told it was an grave insult.

Tl;dr: they became rare and thus were "fancy" slaves which furthered notions of superiority that already existed back on Madagascar.
 

NothingNow

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If someone can tell me how to upload a picture I can show you the graph that shows the spread of African ancestry in the south, its rather eyeopening for some. Mixing was not really a big deal during the slave era among the free and in fact was not illegal among Free in Alabama even marriage.

If you'd go to the section under the reply box that says 'attach files' and then click the manage attachments box, it'll open a pop-up menu to handle file uploads.

Aside from that, if you put up on imgur.com, you can just hotlink the image here, using the [noparse]
[/noparse] tag set up. This is preferable with large files since AH.com has pretty tight image size limits.
 

Benevolent

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If you'd go to the section under the reply box that says 'attach files' and then click the manage attachments box, it'll open a pop-up menu to handle file uploads.

Aside from that, if you put up on imgur.com, you can just hotlink the image here, using the [noparse]
[/noparse] tag set up. This is preferable with large files since AH.com has pretty tight image size limits.

Thanks! I'm new to forums :p
 

Benevolent

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So here is 23andme, it's not perfect for black Americans because people were claiming to be BA to get a free test which skews the results.

Anyways South Carolina and Louisiana have the largest percentage of White Americans with atleast 1% African ancestry.

It's the southern states that have the highest proportions and that has to do not only with clandestine passing but largely the legal and socially acceptable practices of making mixed race people White which occurred quite often in South Carolina even in the pre-antebellum South.

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Nice of you to say...

But the thing is, poor "whites" (more or less) were sold at slave markets; look up the derivation of the terms "fancy trade," "fancy maid," and "high yaller" and one gets a pretty good idea of the monetization of women in the antebellum south.

This might be unrelated, but in Spanish, the "trade" of prostitutes, selling them from brothel to brothel, often against their will and/or under false pretenses, and sexual slavery, is called "trata de blancas": trade of whites (women).
 
That's kind of funny.
The point of this discussion is "black and white".
Meaning the color of the skin.

In Russia it is much much simpler.
There was a serfdom and it was irrespective of color of your skin.

From my father's bloodline I am the slave-owner, nobleman.
From my mother's bloodline I am a pure serf, for a dozen of generations or so.

And... no psychological problems whatsoever, go figure...
not boasting, just a remark :)
 
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