Situation of Africa in a Nazi Victory Scenario

At least THEY were WHITE... Blacks? Probably seen as nothing more than animals. With all that entails.
The Nazis explicitly deemed the Slavs animals as well. Poles were "white" too but that didn't stop the Reich from wanting to kill 85% of them.

Simply being white/European didn't stop a group being labeled subhuman. Race was a far more complex matter to the Reich/Nazi Party than mere skin color, as crazy as that sounds. You couldn't tell the difference between a Czech and an Austrian by looking at them yet one nationality was scheduled for 50% extermination and the other was considered racially pure Aryans. Same goes for Jews, Roma and other groups the Nazis wanted dead and enslaved.
 
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The Nazis explicitly deemed the Slavs animals as well. Poles were "white" too but that didn't stop the Reich from wanting to kill 85% of them.

Simply being "white" didn't mean you were above being deemed subhuman. Race was a far more complex reality to the Reich and the Nazi Party than mere skin color as crazy as that sounds.
True. Race as skin color alone is a decidedly U.S. American invention (and arguably Latin American, too).

I understand that conceptions of Race in Europe involves more detailed physical characteristics llike shape of the face and nose, hair color, average height, etc. And that's with the arbitrary physical distinctions only and not the cultural/linguistic ones.

Though... I still think Nazi Germany will make the worst of the other Empires seem like a walk in the park in comparison, matched only by Stalinist Russia.
 
Though... I still think Nazi Germany will make the worst of the other Empires seem like a walk in the park in comparison, matched only by Stalinist Russia.
I agree. The worst excesses and atrocities of the various European powers in Africa will be tame compared to what Hitler and Himmler have in store. The only question is how many they decide to leave alive as serfs and how many they starve, execute and work to death.
 
We're talking about the Nazis.The Hitlerites. With other, more reasonable Nazis, we might just get uber-Congo or the Confederate States straight on African soil. But with the likes of Hitler, Himmler, and co. running things? Generalplan Afrika it is. They might even deem them lesser than the Slavs and Ashkenazim. At least THEY were WHITE... Blacks? Probably seen as nothing more than animals. With all that entails.
Nazi racial views were very complex and absurd, simply looking at it through a present lens is not going to get you very far, although it is certainly true that the Nazis were... prejudiced against blacks, as Hitler's ravings about the French trying to mongrelize Europe, sterilization of the Rhineland "bastards" and their policies against French colonial soldiers show. Furthermore, unless if you can find evidence that the Germans planned to attempt mass white settlement in the tropical jungle, desert, and Sahel, then the Germans will keep the Africans alive. Genocide of the Soviets was not just because the Germans hated Slavs, it was to free up land for German farmers, and they planned to keep a substantial slave population around. In Africa, where mass white settlement was not feasible, the Nazi policy will just be slavery to extract resources. Casualties will be horrifying, but they will be a means to an end, not the end in of itself, much like the Belgian Congo.
 
I agree with BadLogic - the imperative to exterminate high percentages of the Slavs and others in Europe (excepting the Jews and Roma who had to go for special reasons) was to free up land for Aryan settlers. Slavs were to kept alive in small numbers for slave labor. Similarly Africans would be used for slave labor. To the extent here was "excess" population they would be killed off through labor, starvation, shooting or whatever. Survivors would be slaves, and as I and others have said, long for the good old days when the Congo was run by the Belgians.

Without getting in to the whole "what is race" issue, an "advantage" to African slaves is that you can spot them a mile away. There are lots of Untermenschen who could pass for Aryan. You might even see African slaves exported to the Reich as status items, or even to do grunt work in cities - after all a Slav who escapes could possibly hide/get away, but not an African. Of course any Africans "exported" will naturally be sterilized, men preferably castrated to avoid problems with them lusting after Mädchen.

In the parts of African where white settlement is feasible, the displacement/killing of Africans will be greater. You might see white South Africans, Rhodesians, some other being brought in and running vast plantations.
 

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In a British defeat that the original poster describes, I feel that Great Britain, even if pressured by its population, will only make peace if its empire remains intact. If this occurs, there will only be slight changes in Africa.

Now if you want a situation where the Axis get a lot of Africa, your'e going to need the following situation.
- Japan doesn't attack the United States, let's say they go with a 'go southwest only' strategy.
- Soviet Union gets defeated during Operation Barbarossa/Operation Typhoon.
- Spain joins the war.
- Malta and Egypt fall.

By doing this, I could see the British making peace in which case the following happens.
- Germany owns the Sues Canal Zone, however Egypt could become an Italian colony (or remain British).
- Italy gets Malta and Ethiopia, maybe even British Somaliland.
- Spain gets all of Morocco for its participation in the war.
- Vichy France loses Morocco, but keeps the rest of its colonies.
- British is forced to give Rhodesia, Northern Rhodesia, and Botswana to South Africa (who are on good terms with Nazi Germany).
- British keep remaining colonies.
- Free French may hold on to certain colonies, but Vichy France will probalby take them back now.
 
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