Sir John Valentine Carden survives.

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Now: do they realise the Germans might be capable of listening in on radio transmissions and develop and implement a good radio discipline (and for the thinking outside the box types, phantom tanks units which exist only as radio broadcasts) or do the Germans benefit as they did in the original timeline in North Africa until one of Rommel's monitoring units got overrun and captured?
You're assuming there that:
1) It's even Rommel who gets sent.
2) The Germans can overcome the British forward positions.
3) The Germans overcome the forward positions with enough strength left to exploit their victory.

None of the three are certain.
 
So you noticed the fear that Crete might be seized by the Italians. I saw that too.
Whenever I see any mention of the A11 and Crete in the same post, I keep on getting reminded of how an A11 was able to shoot down a Stuka during the fighting in France and then consider how a German DFS-230 glider is even slower and less maneuverable than that.

With a maximum landing speed of 65kmh, they're going to be particularly vulnerable on final approach.
 
Whenever I see any mention of the A11 and Crete in the same post, I keep on getting reminded of how an A11 was able to shoot down a Stuka during the fighting in France and then consider how a German DFS-230 glider is even slower and less maneuverable than that.

With a maximum landing speed of 65kmh, they're going to be particularly vulnerable on final approach.
In truth it wouldn't take much in addition to what was in Crete Otl to cause the German invasion to fail. A squadron of infantry tanks on each airfield and another to cover the beaches the German JU52's were forced to use as landing strips and Student's men are stuffed.
 
From what have read, Freyberg lacked proper communications, radios, so had preset plans. Honestly he lacked everything but if he had more communication gear, it would have given him more flexibility with his limited forces.
 
From what have read, Freyberg lacked proper communications, radios, so had preset plans. Honestly he lacked everything but if he had more communication gear, it would have given him more flexibility with his limited forces.
And he came within an inch of winning anyway.
 
You're assuming there that:
1) It's even Rommel who gets sent.
2) The Germans can overcome the British forward positions.
3) The Germans overcome the forward positions with enough strength left to exploit their victory.

None of the three are certain.
No: I'm assuming that if the Germans were intelligent enough to spy on/monitor British radio communications in the original timeline, the fact that Sir Carden survived in this timeline does not somehow beat the Germans over the heads with magic idiot sticks and make them incapable of doing or trying it in this timeline. I mentioned North Africa since that was where it was (as far as I know) most prominently used against the British in the original timeline, and where the Australians did the British yet one more favour and captured a unit, finally cluing the British in that the British had some serious problems...
 
No: I'm assuming that if the Germans were intelligent enough to spy on/monitor British radio communications in the original timeline, the fact that Sir Carden survived in this timeline does not somehow beat the Germans over the heads with magic idiot sticks and make them incapable of doing or trying it in this timeline. I mentioned North Africa since that was where it was (as far as I know) most prominently used against the British in the original timeline, and where the Australians did the British yet one more favour and captured a unit, finally cluing the British in that the British had some serious problems...
More the Americans as well. Afterall, it was the Americal military consul at the 8th Army HQ which regularly broadcast the results of the daily briefings he received from 8th Army to Washington using a code which had been stolen by the Italians in Rome...
 
No: I'm assuming that if the Germans were intelligent enough to spy on/monitor British radio communications in the original timeline, the fact that Sir Carden survived in this timeline does not somehow beat the Germans over the heads with magic idiot sticks and make them incapable of doing or trying it in this timeline. I mentioned North Africa since that was where it was (as far as I know) most prominently used against the British in the original timeline, and where the Australians did the British yet one more favour and captured a unit, finally cluing the British in that the British had some serious problems...
It only came up in North Africa AFAIK, and here it might not, because even if it is Rommel, I doubt he'd be able to overcome the British positions on the Tripolitania-Cyrenaica border ITTL.
 
16 August 1940. Newcastle-upon-Tyne. England.
16 August 1940. Newcastle-upon-Tyne. England.

Sir John Carden and Leslie Little were looking at a newly arrived 75mm M1897 gun and they both felt like slapping their own foreheads. There was no way on God’s green earth that they’d be able to shoehorn that thing into a turret to act as a close support gun. Then the air raid siren began it wail and the two men, with their retinue, followed the workers off the shelters. As they were going, they passed a number of partially completed vehicles and other things they’d experimented with. The idea of the Birch Gun, a self-propelled artillery piece was something Carden had long planned. It had got to the point where one of the A10 hulls, adapted to take the Meadows DAV engine, had been set aside as the trial vehicle.

Seeing the hull sitting there reminded Carden that progress on it had stalled because the Royal Artillery had needed every gun it could get its hands on for France. As they two designers sat in the shelter, they agreed that rather than sending the 75mm gun back to whence it had come, since it wasn’t too different in size and weight to the 25-pdr, why not get it finished and show it off to the Royal Artillery at Farnborough? If it worked, and neither Carden nor Little could see that it wouldn’t, then once more 25-pdrs became available, then the Royal Artillery might want some Birch Guns for the Royal Horse Artillery.

When the sirens wailed again for the all-clear the two men got the drawings out of the safe to review them. The changes to fixing the 75mm into the hull took only a little effort to change from the 25-pdr. Over a cup of tea, they talked to the team who’d worked on the hull layout, and told them what they were proposing and how they’d like it done. There was a certain amount of head scratching and humming and hawing, not unusual with these men, and then, agreement. Everything was literally in one place, the hull, the engine and now the gun. Some more thinking out loud, and then the estimate that it would ready mid-September, Luftwaffe allowing.

While they were there, the plans for the anti-aircraft mount were brought out of the safe too. This was based on using an A9 hull, again adapted for the Meadows engine, something that was also sitting at the side of the factory. Once again, it had been the difficulty in getting guns had caused the hold up. All sorts of combinations of guns had been suggested, machine guns and cannons, and then the story of how one the A11s had shot down a Stuka at Arras was retold. That was when one of the Charge Hands mentioned that there were still two of the pompoms that had been used in the A11s laying around somewhere. After some serious questioning it turned out that there had been some fault found on them, so they’d been replaced by two other guns. As with much of life, no one had bothered to do anything about the broken ones, so they were still sitting in boxes somewhere up against a wall. Getting hold of a twin mount from the naval gun section of the factory complex wouldn’t be a problem, at least not officially. There was a backlog in making the guns, but nothing holding back the mounts. If no one asked too many questions, they could at least marry the twin mount to the hull of the tank. They could then check if that worked with the weight and balance of the two guns.

Someone else on the team had a brother-in-law on the pompom line, so maybe, for a small investment in a bottle of something, the fault in the guns could be looked at, hypothetically, to see if they could be fixed. All going well, and some of those in management didn’t look too closely, a prototype Vanguard SPAAG could possibly be ready in about the same time frame, maybe a week or two later. Like using the 75mm M1897 on the Birch Gun, the twin pompom wouldn’t necessarily be what the army ended up with, but it would prove the concept effectively enough. Perhaps, Leslie Little mused, once enough of the new Oerlikons became available, they’d be a better choice for the Vanguard. Carden wasn't sure he agreed, he thought the army would be keener on using a single Bofors 40mm.
 
Does the SPG use the gun in a low-traverse or 360 traverse mount? I assume the former. In any case it's way better than the Bishop, though not as roomy as the OTL Sexton (but at least it's available well before 1943).
 
I wonder what Sir John will make of the reports on the STUG's

See the copied text from the "Tank-Encyclopida";

The French campaign​

The first Sturmbatterie, 640, was created on 1st November 1939, followed by the 659, 660, and 665 in April and May 1940. The first action came for the 16th Sturmbatterie, with the Grossdeutschland division under Gen. Guderian’s command, during the Sedan breakthrough. This unit attacked Villiers and met heavy resistance from an entrenched French cavalry unit. It attacked the following day towards Mellier, and nullified an enemy infantry unit in the direction of Suxy. A French reconnaissance battalion was destroyed in the process of taking several fortified buildings. After other engagements near the Belgian border, the StuG Abteilungs secured a strong foothold on the other side of the Meuse at Sedan. The first reports of these engagements written by infantry officers were dithyrambic and the StuG secured its place into the Wehrmacht arsenal.
Between August 1940 and January 1942, 18 Sturmgeschütz Abteilungs were formed, just before the production shifted to the new Sturmkanone L/43 in March. A fully independent unit, the Sturgeschütz-lehr batterie 900 was formed in March and three batteries were attached organically to the SS divisions “Das Reich”, “Totenkopf” and “Wiking”. These were the first to have a seventh StuG per battery for the commander, and to have extra radio sets for one in two vehicles for the platoon commander. By April 1941, these units were supplemented with sidecars for dismounted platoon leaders, and trucks replaced the Sd.Kfz.10/11. This was extended to all units on 18 April 1941. This new disposition was operational for the start of Operation Barbarossa for all but a few Sturmbatteries. During the Balkan campaign, the Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 184, 190 & 191 and 16 were in action together with the Sturmbatterie/Infantrie Regiment “Grossdeutschland” in Greece and Yugoslavia.
 
Now: do they realise the Germans might be capable of listening in on radio transmissions and develop and implement a good radio discipline (and for the thinking outside the box types, phantom tanks units which exist only as radio broadcasts) or do the Germans benefit as they did in the original timeline in North Africa until one of Rommel's monitoring units got overrun and captured?
That all takes education of officers, NCO's and men and operational experience - and it takes time to educate the rapidly expanding 'tribe' or in this case 'tribes'

OTL this took until Mid 1942 and was not completed till after Gazalla and while efforts were well underway and improving rapidly before then the overrunning the forward elements of Captain Seebohms 621st Radio Intercept company - that event certainly focused minds.

Unfortunately this 'education' all takes time for an army (British and Commonwealth) that is expanding as rapidly as possible from 10 odd 'peace time' divisions (including the Indian army) to 50+ odd 'Citizen war time' Divisions

There is no short cut to build a 'competent' continental sized army

It took 3 years in WW1 and it took 3 years in WW2
 
Does the SPG use the gun in a low-traverse or 360 traverse mount? I assume the former. In any case it's way better than the Bishop, though not as roomy as the OTL Sexton (but at least it's available well before 1943).
The original Birch gun had a 360 degree traverse. If they are building a mobile artillery piece, they don't need heavy armour or want a low traverse mount. So it will depend on what they end up using it for.
 
The explanation that it leads to modern birch guns is literally the best outcome that could happen to be honest with the ancient 75mm guns from america. So kudos to the author for that.

Were they actually any use in otl ? Or just used to beef up defenses and stuff on the home island and i guess some training ?
 
From what have read, Freyberg lacked proper communications, radios, so had preset plans. Honestly he lacked everything but if he had more communication gear, it would have given him more flexibility with his limited forces.
Crete has to be treated as '3 islands' linked by limited 'land bridges' in the north only where the main East to West MSR exists (there being no real East to West roads etc in the south or middle)

So Freyberg's biggest problem was that his primary combat units lacked motor transport having left most of it in Greece along with much of those units heavy equipment such as artillery (IIRC there was only a handful of assorted captured Italian guns), radio trucks, field kitchens, mobile STD medical unit (you get the picture) and not to mention the units having taken losses during that campaign.

This meant that he was unable to rapidly concentrate his superior numbers against the airheads while also having to cover suspected landing beaches - which he could have done had his Brigades / Battalions and supporting sub units had greater mobility to respond to events.

The Greek forces on the Island had an eclectic collection of rifles in differing calibres (none of it in a proprietary British calibre) and just 152 MMGs and LMGs of various makes with enough ammunition for an average of 50 rounds per rifleman - so they could not even zero their rifles let alone train!

With a decent Crystal ball and some magic fairy dust a 'what if?' could be 'W' force not reaching Greece (for whatever reason) and instead garrisoning Crete with the units arriving and establishing themselves with a full table of equipment (Motor Transport, artillery, radio trucks, field kitchens, mobile STD medical unit etc) and personnel.
 
The original Birch gun had a 360 degree traverse. If they are building a mobile artillery piece, they don't need heavy armour or want a low traverse mount. So it will depend on what they end up using it for.
The Americans went with a compromise in their M3 gun motor carriage (T12) which used the same gun - 20 deg traverse each way (cf 8 degrees total for the Bishop)

The main difference is the enclosed "turret" (non rotating) for the Bishop but as this was barely proof against rifle fire its utility is a bit dubious compared to the advantages of a traversing weapon.

Hopefully they will go the M3 way with the A9 SPG ("vicar" :biggrin: ?) and just build it with a shield and bigger traverse. The Priest M7 / Sextons can come along when their little brother is deemed ineffective.
 
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