Sir John Valentine Carden Survives. Part 2.

The timings of the opening Japanese moves for PH-and-related are quite complicated by the fact that the International Date Line is in the way. So things which, in local time, seem to be occuring on different days are actually occuring simultaneously if you, say, checked them all in Tokoyo time.
 
The timings of the opening Japanese moves for PH-and-related are quite complicated by the fact that the International Date Line is in the way. So things which, in local time, seem to be occuring on different days are actually occuring simultaneously if you, say, checked them all in Tokoyo time.
The Japanese operated exclusively on Tokyo time. Didn't matter where they were, they all operated on Tokyo time. It made management of forces and movements much easier. The Allies operated on local time/dates. Events in Pearl Harbor occurred on date, a day earlier in theory, than dates in the Western Pacific but they were in reality at the same day/time. That is why Pearl Harbor occurred on 7 December 1941 but the attack on Malaya occurred on 8 December 1941 according to the calendar but actually occurred on the same date in actuality.
 
Personally I see him being recalled to stand before a Congressional investigation into the fall of the Philippines. Where his recent imperious demands of the British in Malaya/Singapore, to provide him relief, could come back to bite him in the rear. By the end of the Congressional Investigation, the Allied Command structure in the region, will have been sorted out, with the Americans very much relegated to the back seat, up until the invasion of the Philippines. And I personally don’t see him being given the command of this effort, it will be under the command of an Admiral, with a four star General as the land commander. MacArthur unless he can pull the proverbial rabbit out of the hat, and somehow manage to defeat the Japanese invasion of the Philippines, is very much a busted flush.
Perhaps, ITTL, MacArthur will be sent to the North Slope of Alaska, to guard against a potential Axis invasion from Norway via the Arctic icepack.
 
Perhaps, ITTL, MacArthur will be sent to the North Slope of Alaska, to guard against a potential Axis invasion from Norway via the Arctic icepack.
Too obliviously fake. Guarding the 'vital northern approach' (ie, the Aleutian Islands) ought to be doable though.
 
TBH just stick him as ethier a contact officer with the Canadians or make him direct contact officer for the Republican Chinese or that little bastard of a cult leader Mao.
 
TBH just stick him as ethier a contact officer with the Canadians or make him direct contact officer for the Republican Chinese or that little bastard of a cult leader Mao.
He's a retired officer recalled to service and he failed. Either re-retire him (unlikely he'd be free to talk to the press and run for office) or put him in charge of a training camp for truck drivers and mechanics in the middle of nowhere.
 
He's a retired officer recalled to service and he failed. Either re-retire him (unlikely he'd be free to talk to the press and run for office) or put him in charge of a training camp for truck drivers and mechanics in the middle of nowhere.

You can't realistically put a former Army Chief of Staff in command of a minor training camp but 2nd and 4th Armies (the main CONUS training formations) will need commanders and he'll be adequate at the role.
 
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Too obliviously fake. Guarding the 'vital northern approach' (ie, the Aleutian Islands) ought to be doable though.
Especially if there is an Aleutian campaign ITL. Or he could be in charge of training, or sent to China.

The US Press & Army need a hero and he’s got the ego & PR machine to be it. At least until Patton and even then.
 
Especially if there is an Aleutian campaign ITL. Or he could be in charge of training, or sent to China.

The US Press & Army need a hero and he’s got the ego & PR machine to be it. At least until Patton and even then.
The difference between Patton and MacArthur is that Patton was actually competent.
 
You can't realistically put a former Army Chief of Staff in command of a minor training camp but 2nd and 4th Armies (the main CONUS training formations) will need commanders and he'll be adequate at the role.
Just tell him he can have a training camp or he can retire and write his memoirs. Maybe he’ll get the message.
 
The last thing the powers that be want is MacArthur writing his memoirs and talking to press. They absolutely do not want him able to interfere in politics and challenge the Government at the next election. They need him far away from Washington and as difficult for the press to get hold of as possible. I'd say name him Ambassador to somewhere, but the ones he'd accept are the last places you want him.
 
You can't realistically put a former Army Chief of Staff in command of a minor training camp but 2nd and 4th Armies (the main CONUS training formations) will need commanders and he'll be adequate at the role.
Would he really be adequate at this?
His main job previously was training the Philippines army and that didn't prove up to the task.
 
Would he really be adequate at this?
His main job previously was training the Philippines army and that didn't prove up to the task.
From what I can tell he never tried, preferring to live the colonial high life in Manila and the pineapple plantations to working.
 
His many detractors that he's gathered in his long time in the Army aren't going to be shy about telling all and sundry about how badly the US lost in the Philippines compared to how the British and Dutch are faring.

Even worse, the Flying Tigers are doing extremely well in Burma compared to the poor performance of the USAAC while using the same equipment. The USAAC 5th Air Force is also going to cop a beating when its compared to the performance of the RAF in Malaya.

It's going to be hard for outsiders looking inwards to not see this primarily as a failure of leadership by MacArthur.
 
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