Sino-German-American Alliance

According to some old texts of the German Empire, Germany was diplomatically isolated against the Franco-Russian and Anglo-Japanese Alliances. Though Germany had Austria-Hungary and Italy in the Triple Alliance, the Germans knew that Austria-Hungary wasn't a credible check on Russia and Italy was vindicative towards Austria-Hungary. As a result, the Germans sought a more reliable alliance with China and the United States. Compared to the other Europeans, the Germans were noted for being more respectful to the Chinese (though the Kaiser still felt contempt for them). Majority of the United States' population originated from Germany and Presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson had knowledge of the German language. The most I can realistically expect out of the United States is, an increased trade agreement, as the United States avoided foreign entanglements when possible. Is it possible that increased trade with Germany would motivate the British and French to sink American ships? As for China, I could imagine Germany equipping them with weaponry and training Chinese troops. With better training and equipment, the Beiyang government would see the opportunity to reclaim land from the foreigners (minus Germany). Just a thought. What do you guys think?
 
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Perkeo

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I don't think this alliance will be worth much more than the paper it is written on. Germany and China cannot contribute much without a competitive Navy, and America won't want to commit to an alliance that offers that little in return.

And why should China tolerate German colonialism for training and equipment - the latter only until Britain and France close Germany's harbours - alone?

The game-changing allies for Germany are:

France - by far the most unlikely, which is pity since both are going to profit most

Russia - somewhat plausible, but a little risky since a powerful Russia is also a potential thread.

Britain - at the very least, to keep them neutral. In hindsight we know this would have won WWI for the central powers.
 
Bismark basically hated the U.S. but knew they would help even odds in a full scale war. The U.S. government aided both the Entente and Triple Alliance during WW1 until they finally joined. Citizens wanted to join either side splitting the country. If Germany hadn't continued unrestricted submarine warfare they may have had the U.S. as an ally. Britain would then have to compete with a navy almost as good as there's but not as stretched out.
 
Unless Britain and France directly threatened the United States, it is hard to see the US joining Wilhelmine Germany in any kind of alliance. There were lots of things Americans admired about Germany, and the US had a large German-American population, but both Britain and France were real democracies while Germany was not. The militarism of the Kaiser scared Americans in a way that British and French colonialism did not.

Germany would need to be very different before the US would consider its sympathies to lie with it rather than the British and French.

While the US still had some distrust of Britain as the leading colonial power and the legacy of the War for Independence and 1812, the US had a very pro-French attitude because of Lafayette and the French help during the revolution. The various US-French disputes of the 19th century was not something very prominent in the American psyche. French was typically the foreign language learned. It would take a lot for the US to reject that.
 

LordKalvert

Banned
1) China can't threaten anyone- the Bannermen proved their "worth" in the Boxer Rebellion

2) China has no fleet

3) There are no railroads to any of the significant Russian zones

4) The US would never join an alliance. even in WWI Wilson insisted that the US wasn't an "ally" but a "co -belligerent"
 
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