Sinicized Philippines?

That is if the PoD is right after the Spanish resettled assuming that Spain conquers Philippines like OTL. Also, this is under the assumption that everything assumes like OTL.

But the assumption/PoD is either China conquers Philippines pre 1500, which in turns make Philippines more like Japan, Chinese culture which will transform separately as different society much like Japan.

Or if it is later than 1500 AD, Chinese conquest would still remain closer to OTL. I severely doubt any successful rebellions by Filipinos between 1500-1800 AD. Spain was just too powerful around that time and Philippines was too disunited. Of course all your assumptions again are that we come to OTL which contradicts OP, which is making Philippines Sinicized.

OTL, We all know Philippine Culture pre hispanic is much closer to cultures in Indonesia. However, this is ATL with the assumption of Chinese conquest.

yeah. pretty much this. the Philippines was never a single nation before the Spanish. if it was, our culture would be nigh unrecognizable.
 
Could there be a situation where
1. During Song dynasty the Philippine region is extensively traded with and
2. when it falls, the Song escape to Formosa and the Philippines?
 
Could there be a situation where
1. During Song dynasty the Philippine region is extensively traded with and
2. when it falls, the Song escape to Formosa and the Philippines?

In OTL, Song dynasty did trade with the Philippines. Trade between Ancient China and preHispanic Philippines can be traced since around 900Ad.

Formosa is actually possible due to its proximity and the lack of resources the natives have to resists Chinese escapees.

With the Philippines, there are a lot of factors to consider. How far Philippines is, Resources need to expel/conquer the local kingdoms, Foreign powers presence during those times from Majapahit to Brunei. Local Leadership also comes into place as preHispanic Filipinos can win vs an invading power as long as it has the right leadership, much like OTL Lapu-Lapu, or if not a complete failure like OTL Rajah Sulayman 50 years later.

With regards to Song refugees(since you dont have to full resources of the whole China), it would probably depend on when and where they are going to land. If they land on a well led, well organized city state, those Song refugees would be massacred. If they somehow end up fighting an incompetent leader, it is possible to win and establish their own small Chinese Kingdom.
 
In OTL, Song dynasty did trade with the Philippines. Trade between Ancient China and preHispanic Philippines can be traced since around 900Ad.

Formosa is actually possible due to its proximity and the lack of resources the natives have to resists Chinese escapees.

With the Philippines, there are a lot of factors to consider. How far Philippines is, Resources need to expel/conquer the local kingdoms, Foreign powers presence during those times from Majapahit to Brunei. Local Leadership also comes into place as preHispanic Filipinos can win vs an invading power as long as it has the right leadership, much like OTL Lapu-Lapu, or if not a complete failure like OTL Rajah Sulayman 50 years later.

With regards to Song refugees(since you dont have to full resources of the whole China), it would probably depend on when and where they are going to land. If they land on a well led, well organized city state, those Song refugees would be massacred. If they somehow end up fighting an incompetent leader, it is possible to win and establish their own small Chinese Kingdom.
It was Lakandula who allied with the Spanish against Sulayman, Lakandula knew the weakness of Sulayman (the truth is Lakandula is a sell out), later the Spanish would betray Lakandula' kin..

Taiwan was conquered by the Chinese because the population in Taiwan was scarce because the Taiwanese aborigines practiced mandatory abortion which was mandatory till a certain age.
 
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It was Lakandula who allied with the Spanish against Sulayman, Lakandula knew the weakness of Sulayman (the truth is Lakandula is a sell out), later the Spanish would betray Lakandula' kin..

Taiwan was conquered by the Chinese because the population in Taiwan was scarce because the Taiwanese aborigines practiced mandatory abortion which was mandatory till a certain age.

Which again points to Sulaymans failure. Leadership is not just about you leading an army to beat your opponent. It is also recognizing the environment, reality around you and using that to your advantage or minimizing your weakness while focusing on your strength.

With regards to Taiwan, you just pointed out which I pointed out before the lack of resources or organization of natives of Taiwan compared to pre Hispanic Philippines. You just can't have any organized resistance with very few resources or organization.
 
Which again points to Sulaymans failure. Leadership is not just about you leading an army to beat your opponent. It is also recognizing the environment, reality around you and using that to your advantage or minimizing your weakness while focusing on your strength.

With regards to Taiwan, you just pointed out which I pointed out before the lack of resources or organization of natives of Taiwan compared to pre Hispanic Philippines. You just can't have any organized resistance with very few resources or organization.

The resources includes the population, aside from that I would have preferred if the Bruneians never killed Gambang of Tondo, his kin was beloved by the people compared the kin of Lakandula and Soliman.
 
The Mongols

I recently watched a movie on the Mongolian invasion of Japan and it got me thinking...would the Mongols have any interest in vassalizing the states in the Philippines or conquering them such as Tondo?

Or even conquering the entire Philippines? After all it had been trading with China.
 
Vassals and Navies

I would suggest you don't really need to go all the way with the sinicization of the Philippines. All you need is shift in policy by the Ming to adopt a more forward defensive posture over the Philippines through one or more vassalage arrangements.

Then have the Qing maintain that on the basis that Qing can do whatever the Ming can do better.

Europeans, first the Spanish and Portuguese then others would arrive and likely contest control for the islands forcing the Imperial Government to occasionally or perhaps more than occasionally intervene on their behalf.

Rather than the situation OTL where the main military threat was from nomads from the steppes and internal rebellions and thus technologically rather static in nature until the 19th century the Qing Navy might now be forced to adjust. How they do this and most likely I suspect it would be by efforts to import foreign technology would then drive the fortunes of the Empire in the South China Sea.

Whether or not this would impact on the land based military which is hamstrung in its development by the need to maintain Manchu dominance is whole other avenue of speculation.
 
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