Shun China?

How do you know it's "Shun" did he try to proclaim that?

How DO the Chinese decide "era" names".
 

maverick

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Yes, Li Zicheng did proclaim the beginning of the Shun Dynasty

More Info here.

And here

Now, personally, I feel that the best way to save the Shun Dynasty is to weaken/destroy the Manchu first.

For a view of how could that scenario work, see the TL in my sig, the one that in fact reads "Shun China"...the scenario starts with Japan in the 1570s, from there goes to Manchuria and a war that weakens the Jurchen and gives Li Zicheng the chance to seize and keep the Mandate of Heaven more effectively.

Here's another two threads with brief discussions of the matter at hand

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=76057&highlight=Shun+Dynasty

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=27658

Wu Sangui joining forces with Li Zicheng is not impossible, as IOTL he did do that, but he took too much time to get his ass to Beijing, so Li Zicheng assumed Wu said no and sacked his house.

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=95315&highlight=Shun+Dynasty

A fractured China is also an interesting idea, although it needs to destroy/weaken the Jurchen and keep them in Manchuria. Maybe some civil war, economic hardship, or just keep General Yuan Chonghuan alive and thus the northern border safe.
 
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