Shadow of Fashoda

[Grey Wolf]

Ah, I see it now! The light colour (salmon) is the colonies, and the dark colour (poop) is the self-governing dominions ! Oh...but I guess Newfoundland has still lost its dominons status somehow here ?

I was going to ask about Fezzan, but supposed there were reasons for it. It might just be oases (oasises ?) but in the middle of a dessert these are important, and also define control of the trade routes

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

 

[Analytical Engine]

I was going to ask about Fezzan, but supposed there were reasons for it. It might just be oases (oasises ?) but in the middle of a dessert these are important, and also define control of the trade routes.

There might just have been an Anglo-Ottoman treaty to fix the border...

 

[Grey Wolf]

There might just have been an Anglo-Ottoman treaty to fix the border...

Well, that's why I didn't say anything at first But later comments indicate an oversight, I thought

Gotta run ! My laundry calls...

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

 

[Analytical Engine]

Also...

Why do you keep forgetting Tenasserim? It's a part of Burma, not Siam...

 

[Ridwan Asher]

Also...

Why do you keep forgetting Tenasserim? It's a part of Burma, not Siam...

IIRC, Burma only got Tenasserim as a part of their territory only after WWII

 

[Analytical Engine]

IIRC, Burma only got Tenasserim as a part of their territory only after WWII

Um... no.

The British gained Tenasserim from the Kingdom of Burma during the First Anglo-Burmese War... Which ended in 1826.

Burma got it from the Kingdom of Ayutthaya prior to that...

 

[Geordie]

Great timeline

Did i miss India becoming a dominion?

 

[fortyseven]

Ah, I see it now! The light colour (salmon) is the colonies, and the dark colour (poop) is the self-governing dominions ! Oh...but I guess Newfoundland has still lost its dominons status somehow here ?

I was going to ask about Fezzan, but supposed there were reasons for it. It might just be oases (oasises ?) but in the middle of a dessert these are important, and also define control of the trade routes

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

I coloured Nfld. wrong.

Also...

Why do you keep forgetting Tenasserim? It's a part of Burma, not Siam...

I used R.I.'s map. I didn't notice.

Great timeline

Did i miss India becoming a dominion?

Thanks. It's in the timeline.

Expect Map 1.3 today or tomorrow.

 

[fortyseven]

Map 1.3

 

[Irioth]

Of course, Germany could intervene to salvage as much as still possible, but in this case I think the result would have been quite different. For one, I think they would have taken all of Cisleithania, including the Carniola (Slovenia, de facto), including access to the Adria (though not at the point where modern Slovenia has). And then, I dont think theyd allow Trnasylvania,with its sizeable Hungarian and German minorities to fall into Romanian hands. Same for the Voyvodina/Banat, really. And who would really stand up for Slovakian independance? I do think Hungary would more or less remain territorially intact, at worst lose Slovakia only (and that wouldnt even be all modern Slovakia as its south is Hungarian settled)

I concur. With victorious CPs, even if A-H's eventual collapse was inevitable, the partition would have gone rather differently. Germany would stand for nothing less than full annexation of Austria, Bohemia, Moravia, and Slovenia, and they would not sacrifice their most important ally past UK (Hungary) for the sake of traitorous Slavs and dubious Romanians. Hence Hungary keeps Slovakia, Banat, and Transylvania.

 

[fortyseven]

I changed/edited/fixed a few things:

In 1915, Japan joins the Alliance.

World War One: 1915-1916

A general war breaks out between the Alliance (Britain, Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy, Ottoman Empire, Japan) and the Entente (France, Russia, Serbia) in early 1915. Austrian and Ottoman forces invade Serbia. Anglo-German naval forces blockade the Strait of Gibraltar and defeat the French Atlantic Fleet off Brittany. An Allied naval force in the Black Sea keeps the Russians from attacking the Straits. In western and southwestern Africa, Anglo-German forces battle French forces. Japan declares war on France. Japan declares war on China. Japan declares war on Russia. Japanese forces invade Hainan and the Paracel and Spratly Islands. Japan invades north Sakhalin Island and Russian Manchuria. France's Pacific possessions fall to Allied forces by August 1915. Allied forces, including Von Lettow-Vorbeck, fight French forces in central, north-eastern and north-western Africa. In western Europe, Alliance forces advance into France. Paris falls late Summer 1915. France signs a peace treaty in the Fall of 1915. Austrian and Ottoman forces besiege Belgrade. In the east, German and Austrian forces advance deep into Russia. Austrian and Ottoman forces overrun Serbia. Belgrade falls late 1915. Serbia surrenders to Austria and the Ottomans. Ottoman and other Allied forces capture Russian Armenia by late 1915. By early 1916, Ottoman and other Allied forces capture all of Georgia south of the Caucasus Major mountains and the Psou River. Allied forces invade the Crimea in the Spring of 1916. Allied forces capture the Crimea by mid-1916. In mid 1916, Nicholas II of Russia is deposed in a coup and placed under confinement. Japan occupies north Sakhalin Island, coastal Primorsky Krai and Khabarovsk Krai. Bessarabia declares independence. Finland declares independence. The Fourth Caucasian Imamate (Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia) declares independence. The provisional government in Russia signs a peace treaty with the Alliance.

1917 Treaty of Prague:

Germany gains the rest of Alsace-Lorraine, the Longwy-Brier iron ore field of France, the Belgian provinces of Luxembourg and Liege, the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, the Baltic region of Russia,"Russian" Poland, the Ukraine, southern Morocco, and part of French West Africa (Ubangi-Shari, Benin, Gabon), the northern third of Belgian Congo and various French islands.
Austria-Hungary gains the Sanjak of Novi Pazar, part of French West Africa. Montenegro and Serbia become Austrian vassals.
Britain gains Southern Algeria, Cote d'Ivoire, the rest of French West Africa (i.e. Senegal, Gambia, Burkina Faso, Chad, "Niger", "Mauritania", Mali), Djibouti and various French islands.
The Ottoman Empire gains the Crimea, Russian Armenia, Russian Azerbaijan and Georgia. The Caucasian Imamate becomes a vassal of the Ottoman Empire.
Bessarabia joins Romania.
Finland gains independence.
Italy gains Tunisia, Corsica, the County of Nice and Haute Savoie.
France retains northern Algeria, French Guyana, French Indochina, and Madagascar.
Japan gains Hainan, eastern Russian Machuria and the northern half of Sakhalin Island.

War of Slavic Independence: 1921-1923
The Poles and South Slavs of Austria-Hungary also revolt and declare indpendence. Civil war breaks out in Austria-Hungary in early 1922. By late 1922, many regular troops had joined the rebels. By mid 1923, Serbian, Romanian, Italian, Ottoman, and German forces invade Austria-Hungary. Romania invaded first. Relations between Austria Hungary and both Italy and the Ottoman Empire had soured since World War One. Italy and the Ottoman Empire acted out of self-interest and self-defense as well. The Italians invade Istria, Croatia-Slavonia and South Tyrol. The Romanians invade the Banat, Bukovina and Transylvania. The Ottomans invade Bosnia. Serbians invade the Banat. Seeing no way to stop the collapse of her ally, as a last resort, the German Empire invades and secures the German-majority speaking areas and Bohemia. Hungary holds on to Moravia. The Austrians are overwhelmed. By early 1924, the collapse of Austria-Hungary is complete.

1924 Treaty of Athens:
Italy gains Southern Tyrol, Istria, and the lands of the Slovenes and Croats.
The Ottoman Empire regains Bosnia (including the Sanjak of Novi Pazar).
Germany gains Austria, Austrian Silesia, Bohemia and Galicia.
Hungary (including Moravia, eastern and central Transylvania, Hungarian Banat and northeastern Vojvodina) gains independence.
Romania gains Bukovina, Romanian Banat, most of Transylvania and a small part of north north-eastern Vojvodina.
Serbia gains Serbian Banat

In 1925, Erwin Schrödinger and Werner Heisenberg formulate quantum mechanics. Courland, Lithuania, Austria, Bohemia, western Austrian Silesia, and Czech Silesia are incorporated into the German Empire. The United Baltic Duchy, the Ukraine (including Ruthenia and Eastern Galicia), Poland (including Western Galicia, the Polish majority areas of the province of Posen, and eastern Austrian Silesia) and Belarus are created as German vassals. Italy incorporates Southern Tyrol, the Dalmatian islands and Istria. Italy establishes Slovenia and Croatia as vassals. Hungary establishes Slovakia as a vassal. China builds a railway linking Xinjang and Sichuan.

 

[fortyseven]

Final changes: Slovenia becomes a German vassal

Croatia becomes a Hungarian vassal

Rijeka become part of the German Empire

 

[fortyseven]

1925 map with edits:

Coloured outline is sphere of influence

 

[fortyseven]

What do you think of these flags

 

[DuQuense]

In 1921, the Tommy Gun is invented.

The Thompson Sub Machine Gun was invented by a America [Mr. Thompson] who found Himself in a German Trench with a Jammed Rifle.
He swore that when he got home He would make a Jam proof Gun.
No America in the War, and German on the allied side would butterfly away the Tommy Gun.

Re maps: ?Wasn't there something about Italy taking Ethiopia?

edit: Found it -- oops -getting ahead of the story

In 1929, Eastern China is unified under a provisional national government. Western China remains under the control of warlords. Italy invades Ethiopia.

In 1930, the British invent the first jet. Germany starts producing Panzer I tanks. The analog computer is invented. Nylon is invented. Italy annexes Ethiopia. Italy creates Italian East Africa out of Eritrea, Ethiopia and Italian Somalia.

 

[DuQuense]

Machan on Sea Power: With Japan getting Hainan and the Spratleys, It basically controls China's Access to the Pacific.

Japan owning Amur, Lots of Rivers for Hydro Power, and Amur has Bauxite for Aluminum so no need to import it.
Amur also has Coal and Iron Ore, so no Steel Boycott.

No German south Seas for Japan, and no conquering in China, = less tension with the US.

All Japan needs is a oil supply, [Planes and Cars] and that it can import from the DEI.
For Ships It can stick with Coal. All Japan and Territory's is around the Sea of Japan So It doesn't need the long Range of Oil.

 

[fortyseven]

The Thompson Sub Machine Gun was invented by a America [Mr. Thompson] who found Himself in a German Trench with a Jammed Rifle.
He swore that when he got home He would make a Jam proof Gun.
No America in the War, and German on the allied side would butterfly away the Tommy Gun.

Re maps: ?Wasn't there something about Italy taking Ethiopia?

edit: Found it -- oops -getting ahead of the story

Ok thanks. I'll fix that. A sub-machine gun would still be invented though. I'll make it German or British. Any other ideas vis a vis technological development?

Yeah, the map is 1925.

Anyway, I was planning on posting a progress report:

(Tentative) I'm planning at least two proxy wars, Spain and China and possibly Central Asia between the mid 30s and the mid 40s, then the British/Commonwealth, Germans, French, Russians (and probably the US) develop atomic weapons from the mid 40s to the mid 50s, and then there's a Second World War from mid-50s to early 60s.

Edit: Oh and I need more stuff on South America 1920 on besides the Gran Chaco War. Anyone? I should clarify things vis a vis Belgium as well.

 

[Fellatio Nelson]

I thought the Germans invented the first SMG during WW1?

The Bergmann or something like that; looked a bit like one of those WW2 Russian machineguns.

 

[Ridwan Asher]

What do you think of these flags

If blurry, but nice concepts those flags have

 

[rcduggan]

Is there something im missing here? Cos i thought the beginning of the TL was good, very good. But then on in its just degenerated into a map wank! After looking at dozens of slightly different maps of the world which really only need a little tinkering with ONCE im surprised this TL is on the front page of the discussion board. Seriously, i would like to see more TL and less Map Wank please....

Someone needs to calm down...
Fortyseven is just making a map based on changes he made to his own timeline. He can do whatever he wants. Why should that make this sink to a lower part of the discussion board? It has the same rights as other threads. Unless you are being sarcastic, and I am missing something here too. Just calm down.