settlement of Korea or Taiwan by former samurai in the event of Japanese conquest in the 1870s

[walmart]

Say the Qing are unable to intervene for some reason rebellion or war with a European Power or whatever. In the event of Japanese conquest of Korea or Taiwan in the early 1870s. Would it be possible for Japan to resettle the former Samurai in Korea or Taiwan.

What would be the impact of this

Would this prevent the various Samurai rebellions.

 

[walmart]

How likely would it be for the samurai to intermix with locals willing or unwilling .

 

[walmart]

Would autonomous Samurai states under Imperial tutelage in either territory be possible?

 

[Oda]

Would autonomous Samurai states under Imperial tutelage in either territory be possible?
Lol no this literally defeat the purpose of the Meiji restoration

 

[Marius Mazzini]

There already was a fair amount of Japanese immigration to Korea and Taiwan OTL. The problem is that there huge enough native populations that the areas would stay heavily Japanese regardless of circumstances.

 

[WunWun]

Well that happened to Hokkaido OTL. It used to be ainu populated with a few japanese settlements. Now its mainly japanese with few ainu left.
I'd think that small islands/sparsely populated areas are a better choice for long term japanese settlement, as korea and taiwan have a too dense population and too developed culture to really be settled into extinction.

 

[Pelranius]

Say the Qing are unable to intervene for some reason rebellion or war with a European Power or whatever. In the event of Japanese conquest of Korea or Taiwan in the early 1870s. Would it be possible for Japan to resettle the former Samurai in Korea or Taiwan.

What would be the impact of this

Would this prevent the various Samurai rebellions.

How well do the ex samurai know how to farm/learn a skilled trade?

If not, they'll starve to death.

 

[walmart]

Lol no this literally defeat the purpose of the Meiji restoration

I don’t see why it would an issue as it would remove a problem group when it comes to modernization and it wouldn’t be in Japanese home islands .

too developed culture to really be settled into extinction.

Would it be possible if you wiped out the middle and upper class ?

How well do the ex samurai know how to farm/learn a skilled trade?

If I recall currently by the end of the edo era, a lot of them were in the Bureaucracy and with Meji restoration, they were rather successfully economically in business and other pursues. So could they ended up replacing the Korean middle and upper class, lording over the Korean peasants ala the European minority ruled states of Africa?

 

[Oda]

Settling small groups of ex samurai is fine settling tens of thousands of them deliberately into Korea or Taiwan might give them ideals for rebelling or forming a power base separate from the government which runs on the contrary to Meiji centralisation

 

[walmart]

Settling small groups of ex samurai is fine settling tens of thousands of them deliberately into Korea or Taiwan might give them ideals for rebelling or forming a power base separate from the government

Wouldn’t the threat of rebelling locals or economic dependence tie them to the imperial government ?

which runs on the contrary to Meiji centralisation

Could they go for a decentralized approach for the colonies at least ?

 

[Oda]

Wouldn’t the threat of rebelling locals or economic dependence tie them to the imperial government ?


Could they go for a decentralized approach for the colonies at least ?

True the threat of hostile locals and economic dependence might reduce the chances of ex samurai from rebelling but having large groups of them far away from Tokyo is really risky in the eyes of the Meiji government as some of these samurai could subvert the imperial army and navy garrison on Korea or Taiwan which could lead to a Tokugawa restoration

 

[Pelranius]

I don’t see why it would an issue as it would remove a problem group when it comes to modernization and it wouldn’t be in Japanese home islands .

Would it be possible if you wiped out the middle and upper class ?

If I recall currently by the end of the edo era, a lot of them were in the Bureaucracy and with Meji restoration, they were rather successfully economically in business and other pursues. So could they ended up replacing the Korean middle and upper class, lording over the Korean peasants ala the European minority ruled states of Africa?

Doubt that there would be enough samurai settled in to replace the Korean bureaucracy.

As for Taiwan, the samurai can't compete in trade/the crafts (low population levels and local competition) and farming is pretty much out (good luck getting a bunch of mid 19th century Japanese farmers to adapt to the subtropics).