Separated at Birth: America and Drakia

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ClockworkDawn said:
I love it.


Of course, take your time! It's a super high quality timeline, and it takes a bit of time to produce more content, I'm fine with that. To fill the time, I shall indulge in an age old tradition: mostly baseless speculation.


The ultimate goal of an alternate space race? I imagine we will see a lot more openness to space-based weaponry in this timeline, perhaps usher in the age of mutually assured destruction? I wonder if the Drakians could have a doomsday cult faction? The earth must scoured for our Final Society and all that..


Aw, I always thought that was a decent name, if a bit academic sounding. Either way, I think it will play out quite a bit different from our world. If Japan is still around, it will be closer to tri-polar than ours, for a start. Europe could be the center of proxy wars, as could South America.


Interesting name! A rapprochement movement in the US, perhaps with Japan as a united face against Drakia? A unification thing in Europe? Neat name, either way.
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I assume the Scramble for Luna will be "Who can build the biggest gun pointed down?". As for the Situationist Movement take a look at this. Also this.
 
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Workable Goblin

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I assume the Scramble for Luna will be "Who can build the biggest gun pointed down?". As for the Situationist Movement take a look at this. Also this.
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If they think ICBMs are too expensive and dubious to be useful weapons, why off Earth would they imagine a lunar gun would be better? Especially since there is no remotely practical method for them to get to the Moon except by developing, well, ICBMs...
 
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The onset of the Situationist Movement has me captivated and something has occurred to me: even if (I'm assuming) the movement rises up in Europe as a reaction against the corporatism of Rex/the industrialized horror of Societism, socialists have had their shot on the Continent and completely blown it, so some novel strain of socialism is unlikely to be popular in a Europe likely steeped in a bunker mentality. That being said, I think there's an interesting opportunity for a little historical parallelism.

Consider China: largely behind the times, a proud nation is being bullied and/or economically exploited by the US and Japan, while also being subject to the whims of a tyrannical government. It seems ripe for another revolution. Essentially I'm proposing an antiauthoritarian PRC whose idea of Cultural Revolution is "let's create a society that uses outsider art and spindly architecture to savagely deconstruct the world order!"
 

xsampa

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If the Drakia capture Mecca during the Great Patriotic War while the US is distracted aiding the Rex, this will incentivize Islamist movements because it will be seen as the final insult from a Christian theocracy that controls all of North Africa and the Middle East. Perhaps countries like Indonesia, populous and politically neutral, or smaller countries like the Maldives can have an Islamic Revolution
 
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xsampa said:
What will happen with Tibet?
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Based on the most recent map I'm not sure whether Tibet is a Chinese territory or what the deal is. Given that PRC moves in Tibet OTL were based on a territorial claim to the old Qing borders and the fact that TTL there's a regime degree of separation if Tibet is merely Chinese aligned but independent I'd say free Tibet.
xsampa said:
If the Drakia capture Mecca during the Great Patriotic War while the US is distracted aiding the Rex, this will incentivize Islamist movements because it will be seen as the final insult from a Christian theocracy that controls all of North Africa and the Middle East. Perhaps countries like Indonesia, populous and politically neutral, or smaller countries like the Maldives can have an Islamic Revolution
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I'm sure Islamism in the Greater Middle East will be ground to bloody chunks by the Drakian war machine (gotta keep the troops blooded, wot?), so I'd agree that Indonesia would likely be the global center of political Islam. Given the TL's emphasis on the road less traveled (Geoism, Rex, ornithopters &c) an Islamic fundamentalism that is Sufist rather than Wahabbist would be interesting. Maybe something in line with WMiT's Illuminism filtered through an openly Muslim lense (and confined to one or two lesser powers, of course)?
 
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xsampa

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At this point we have every major nation with its own ideology
Drakia: Societism
US: Fascism
China: Situationism?
Japan: Imperial democracy
Europe: Rex
India: Hindu Nationalism
Russia: Geoism

Perhaps Japanese and Indian cultures will be as influential in the Free World as France/Italy was to 1960s fashion
 

ClockworkDawn

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I'm sure Islamism in the Greater Middle East will be ground to bloody chunks by the Drakian war machine (gotta keep the troops blooded, wot?), so I'd agree that Indonesia would likely be the global center of political Islam. Given the TL's emphasis on the road less traveled (Geoism, Rex, ornithopters &c) an Islamic fundamentalism that is Sufist rather than Wahabbist would be interesting. Maybe something in line with WMiT's Illuminism filtered through an openly Muslim lense (and confined to one or two lesser powers, of course)?
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I'd love to see something new happen in Indonesia, I feel it's so often overlooked as a region. Perhaps we see a revolutionary Islamic movement, in response to Japan's secular/Buddhist/Asian Focused status quo and the decimation of Muslim religious sites under the Draka?
 
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ClockworkDawn said:
I'd love to see something new happen in Indonesia, I feel it's so often overlooked as a region. Perhaps we see a revolutionary Islamic movement, in response to Japan's secular/Buddhist/Asian Focused status quo and the decimation of Muslim religious sites under the Draka?
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Makes sense to me. I'm really attached to the idea of the Sufist Islamic Republic of the Nusantara now, just to give a different spin to revolutionary islamism. Islamic Republicanism to counter Imperial Democracy in the East Indies?
 

fernerdave

Any Nusantara is good to me. Its a good sounding word, though ive never heard it spoken.. A quick goog says it means the Outer Isles in Javanese.. Actually Ive never seen it but on this site, so there ya go.
 

xsampa

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With small countries like Ceylon and Cambodia annexed or partitioned, and medium sized countries like Turkey or Arabia or Spain in harm’s way, is it possible for the remaining small countries e.g the Maldives or the Lesser Antilles to vote to become American territories?
 

Ephraim Ben Raphael

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So I just delivered my letter of resignation to my principal, but said resignation is only effective as of June 30, and she is already taking various petty revenges. I am sort of emotionally exhausted RN, so no new chapter yet, but it will come eventually. In the meantime take a gander at some dice.
 
Great Patriotic War Dice (Part One?)
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    • Ephraim Ben Raphael

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    Time for Operation Frederick II;

    Pan-European Pact

    Superior Industry +2
    (Small) Technological Advantage +1 (Aurica has been helping Moscow not fall too far behind)
    Legacy of Der Alte Fritz +1 (The same factors that made German a military powerhouse IOTL largely exist here)
    Local Intelligence Assets +1 (Poles, Ukrainians, etc. who have no reason to be loyal to Rodinasim)

    Separated at Birth Dice VII.PNG


    Comes to 14

    Rodina Zemlya

    Extensive Defense Planning +1
    De-industrialization -4 (would be worse if they hadn't been re-industrializing frantically)
    Poor Communcations and Transportation -2
    Drakian Assistance +2 (weapons, trainers, even a few volunteers, etc)
    Defenders Advantage +1

    Separated at Birth Dice II.PNG


    Comes to +3. Ouch.

    And now for the "Reconquista"

    Drakian Empire

    Superior Industry +2
    Numerical Superiority +4
    Air Superiority +2
    Naval Superiority +1
    It's a Massive Seaborne Invasion by a Country That Has Never Done One Before -3
    Substantial Technological Superiority +3 (No one is helping Madrid keep up)

    Separated at Birth Dice II.PNG


    Give Stoker a 14 to work with. That's not unbeatable...

    Spanish Pobladisto Republic

    Extensive Defense Planning +1
    Extensive Defense Constructions +2
    Partial Re-industrialization -3 (They never de-industrialized as much as they RZ, but they don't have a patron like the Empire to help with re-industrialization)
    Portugal e Sao Jorge! -2
    Defenders Advantage +1

    Separated at Birth Dice V.PNG


    Goliath beats David it seems.

    ???

    ? +1
    ? -5

    Separated at Birth Dice X.PNG


    And that's where the big numbers were hiding.
     
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    Well, I’m sorry you’re having trouble at work. Take all the time you need on this. It’s not worth the stress trying to force yourself to write while real life nonsense is keeping you down.

    So Drakia & Co are gonna make a play on Europe while the US and Japan are slugging it out? Or is something else going on?
     
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