that’s not hard considering this France has all of Belgium and some more territory alongside the Rhine river. But I still expect Germany to have more on account of Austria, the Sudetenland, Venetia, and most of otl Poland being part of the confederation.
Separated at Birth: America and Drakia
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that’s not hard considering this France has all of Belgium and some more territory alongside the Rhine river. But I still expect Germany to have more on account of Austria, the Sudetenland, Venetia, and most of otl Poland being part of the confederation.
Why New Zealand, though? Wouldn't Australasia make a far more powerful base to reckon with?
Is this inspired by the stories about the death of the (then octuagenarian*) Umayyad Caliph Marwan ibn al-Hakam, reportedly suffocated by his wife - and the widow of his predecessor Yazid bin Mu'awiya - Fakhita with a pillow?
* From what I read in various sources, but Wikipedia actually has him in his sixties.
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And it may even get worse... not to mention that Britain had it easy compared to, say, Russia (not to mention places like Arabia).
About which: Russia's twentieth century IOTL was quite brutal. They had a horrible time in WWI followed by a much more horrible Civil War followed by a brief "respite" before the Bolshevik rule turned into High Stalinism, which was however still better than the alternative that presented itself in the form of the largest and most brutal invasion force in recorded history during Barbarossa. The Nazis were defeated, but at a catastrophic cost, and after them, there was Stalin on top anyway.
Here, Russia has an even more oppressive Tsarist autocracy before TTL's World War, which sucks for Russia about as much as it did historically and is probably an even more costly defeat, followed by a probably bloodier Civil War... which is followed by another and even more violent round of Civil War, which is then won by the equivalent of literally the Khmer Rouge. Stalin would look a benevolent humanitarian by comparison. Then a brief respite comes in the form of a slightly saner regime which only sells part of its own people into literally slavery abroad (as opposed to deporting them into wilderness to starve) and which becomes however quickly the preferable alternative to TTL's version of the Invasion Force, which starts as just ordinarily brutal invaders with a penchant for ideological crusading, and then turn into literally worse than the Mongols in enacting a policy of total destruction; which they do to stop the would-be "liberators" of Russia who are literally the ones the old regime sold slaves to, and they also go on a rampage of brutality beyond OTL's Nazi levels. All this, of course, among major ethnic strife between the peoples of Russia herself while they are being trampled over on all sides.
Essentially, two generations of inhabitants of Russia in a row are destroyed, with a large portion of the survivors either refugees, maimed, or deeply traumatized (or combinations thereof). I'd expect the Russian state in 1950 ITTL to have about 50 million people, maybe a bit less, whereas within those same borders there should have been roughly 150 million or so in 1907, going by OTL.
One could argue that things are so apocalyptically bad there by now, that the only way to go for them now is up (at least briefly), but then, the current regime is ideologically married to oppression, enslavement and genocide as modes of governance, and their main geopolitical and ideological ally is a power built on the notion of inflicting perpetual brutality over the people they preside over to an even worse level. Poor Russia, really.
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It would be fun if OTL Soviet Union (from 1950) was ISOTed to ITTL 1950
Edit: ITTL Russia in OTL would also be interesting to see.
Russia seems ripe for some apocalyptic orthodox cult to take place.
The Soviet-Drakian War would be a sight to behold. Remarkably, the Soviets have nukes and the Drakians do not. I bet on the Soviets for this one, especially because Stalin would be probably willing to ally with everyone and their mother in order to bring down Aurica's tyranny (and put his own one in its place, which would still be an improvement).It would be fun if OTL Soviet Union (from 1950) was ISOTed to ITTL 1950
Edit: ITTL Russia in OTL would also be interesting to see.
Oh, an evil they haven't gone through in massive way yet: murderous religious fanatics.
Well, consider that large tracts of Western Russia must have turned into contaminated howling wilderness by now already.
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Thinking about Drakia...
While their cultural outlook emphasises discipline, obedience, and a sort of collectivism, I think their culture is trending increasingly nihilistic in moral terms especially (not unlike the Nazis).
Their Custodians are essentially a military caste by now, and at this point, despite all the Societist pretense at being the benevolent caretakers of their Servitors, they must have collectively developed an attitude to enjoy being the boot smashing on someone's else face, without needing justification other than because they can. The next decades will be horrible.
By the way, is Bondage primarily state-run at this point, or are there many private *slaveowners empowered to personally and physically do as they please (like the Antebellum South)? And in that case, what happens when a White Custodian rapes a Bonded woman under his ward? Clearly, that would go very much against Societist ideas, but knowing how male enslavers have behaved historically, that sadly would take place at times at least. What would happen if this results in pregnancy? Maybe the Bondage systems becomes increasingly state-run also to prevent that.
While their cultural outlook emphasises discipline, obedience, and a sort of collectivism, I think their culture is trending increasingly nihilistic in moral terms especially (not unlike the Nazis).
Their Custodians are essentially a military caste by now, and at this point, despite all the Societist pretense at being the benevolent caretakers of their Servitors, they must have collectively developed an attitude to enjoy being the boot smashing on someone's else face, without needing justification other than because they can. The next decades will be horrible.
By the way, is Bondage primarily state-run at this point, or are there many private *slaveowners empowered to personally and physically do as they please (like the Antebellum South)? And in that case, what happens when a White Custodian rapes a Bonded woman under his ward? Clearly, that would go very much against Societist ideas, but knowing how male enslavers have behaved historically, that sadly would take place at times at least. What would happen if this results in pregnancy? Maybe the Bondage systems becomes increasingly state-run also to prevent that.
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Probably would happen like in the south, not matter how white the sons look they would still be considered blacks.
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I wonder if any of the post-Societist states in Europe and the Near East will be run by non-white collaborators who settled these regions as mentioned:
, and whether the native populations will be so reduced that Native Arabians or Native Rumanians are extremely rare
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I feel like this song would fit pretty well with this timeline.
Why do I have a feeling that this worlds 80's & 90's will look like how people from OTL during that period interpreted the future and the sci-fi from that time period... come on CYBERPUNK!
Why do I have a feeling that this worlds 80's & 90's will look like how people from OTL during that period interpreted the future and the sci-fi from that time period... come on CYBERPUNK!
To be fair computerized planning can be helpful for a lot of things, but essentially yes.
Originally I was going to make it more 1984, but people guessed that early so I decided to channel "V for Vendetta" instead.
Dammit! I knew I was leaving something out! We'll get to it.
Scots and Welsh are fine, provided they don't act too "Scottish" or too "Welsh". Irish protestants are fine (they're all officially classes as being genetically Superior and British ancestry regardless of their actual ancestry), Irish Catholics are considered Servitors, as are Jews. British Catholics are suppressed on grounds of political sedition (unless they're Sedevacantists) but not genetic Inferiority.
Alas, poor Decker. You wanted to go back to traditional imperialist oppression and were killed on charges of trying to free the slaves and hold elections.
I've long wondered what would have come next for the UK once V had crashed the government.
The Fourth French Republic is a one-party-dominant state ruled by the French branch of the Rex movement with a limited opposition.
The population of European Russia was halved. The population of Russian Siberia rose as refugees fled there. Keep in mind European "Russia" include the Ukraine, Belarus, most of the Baltics, and the Caucuses, whose inhabitants fled west in large numbers or were enslaved/ethnically cleansed/genocided/hobbled by Russia and Drakia in the latter part of the war.
Russia is larger, albeit not that much larger. But since the Russian capital remains outside of geographic Europe, you can accurately say that France is indeed the largest European country in terms of population
Good question. Societism has extensive writings on its economic philosophy, but in practice it functions with the sort of government-corporate corrupt partnership that you did in Nazi Germany.
This is spot on.
This is cannon. They have sort of national PTSD.
Germany did have more, but the Great Patriotic War hit German demographics bad. It would be worse, but they took in a lot of Eastern European and Turkish refugees.
Britain ITTL reminds me a bit too much of Britain in V for Vendetta. You did say we were going to like the update...
Fight me.
They kind of already are? Plus Australia and the Bahamas.
It was not- I just wanted a humiliating way for Stoker to die that drove home the consequences of his ushering in a society with no tolerance for disability- but it is now!
Yeah, Russia has had a very bad time of things ITTL and you do a very good job of summarizing it. The population is higher than what you have, but spot on otherwise.
Quite so. India is pushing Hindi, but English is even more of a global lingua franca than OTL.
Custodians as a military caste is a very good way of putting it. And of course they have a society that promotes people who enjoy exploiting and smashing down those below them. Just wait until the first Agoge generation starts getting into power.
Most Bondsmen are owned by the state, or by the big state-partnered corporations, but there's still quite a bit of private ownership. Most White Citizens and about a third of Honorary White citizens own at least one Bond, there are even a few Nationals who own Bondsmen.
While it is illegal for a Citizen to sexually assault a Bondswoman, it's essentially decriminalized. The children of such unions are often sent to Dragon's Nest creches to be raised as Nationals or even Honorary Whites if the father claims them. Otherwise they're just more Bonded.
The parallel is stronger because both Marwan and Stoker have within their household heirs who are not their biological sons: in the reports citing Fakhita murdering Marwan with a pillow (her slave handmaids assisted her in the task, interestingly) the alleged reason was an insult to her and her son from Yazid, prince Khalid. Khalid had been recognized as the heir to Marwan himself in the agreement that had led the Umayyad clan to accept the latter as Caliph, but Marwan later reneged that and named his own (not Fakhita's) son Abd al-Malik as heir. When Khalid protested, Marwan called him "son of a whore", the whore in question being of course the same wife Marwan had married to solidify the reneged deal. Fakhita, clearly, did not take that kindly.
After Marwan's death, Khalid and Abd al-Malik did not compete for the Caliphate (though their extended sub-clans of the Umayyads later would); Abd al-Malik was recognized, and Fakhita seemed satisfied with that.
I mention all this because I've been thinking of Virgil and Fortuna as a very vague analogue. It would be interesting if Fortuna becomes a prominent figure in Drakia later on.
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Which sounds at least potentially a better deal for the children than what the Antebellum South generally offered.
So, does the Dragon's Nest now accept Honorary Whites and Nationals? You mentioned that it used to only offer its services to Whites before the World War. Makes sense however, considering how much of a priority keeping the numbers of the upper classes must be, considering the war losses.
Drakia also needs a way to make its Bonded population sustainable - they seem to have painted themselves in a worse demographic predicament than historical Sparta. They can't keep going a-conquering, can they? That would be costly.
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Glorious Kebab! No timeline is ever complete without it.
EDIT: I'm referring to the food btw.
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