Separated at Birth: America and Drakia
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You know with the emergence of the Cold War most of the nations here wouldn't be above creating Orion Class Space battleships once they develop nuclear technology and proper rockets. So yeah let that sink in... though on the other it would probably mean a more intense space race which could mean we finally get a moon colony and mars landing!
Who knows. Though it does point to some impressive engineering skills even there's a steep human cost considering the Draka.
Holy fuck. with Rexist Europe guaranteed to be fucked, it will be real bad for East Asia once India aligns with the Societi-
wait no, there's no way Fascism would thrive on the Old World with a Societist India...
Doing so would result to an Order of the Ages... FOR THE SOCIETISTS!!!
AND THE DAMNYANKEES AND THEIR GOD DAMNED ELECTIONS WILL LET IT COME TO PASS!!!
wait no, there's no way Fascism would thrive on the Old World with a Societist India...
Doing so would result to an Order of the Ages... FOR THE SOCIETISTS!!!
AND THE DAMNYANKEES AND THEIR GOD DAMNED ELECTIONS WILL LET IT COME TO PASS!!!
The 2nd Global/World War has basically ended with everyone except India and Draka losing.
The Rex powers have basically gained nothing except permeant Russian enmity and a glut of war dead, the Rexists have promised glory and failed to deliver, I'll be surprised if they survive without dialling up the Oppression meter to 11 and playing up the "enemy at the gates" card for all it's worth.
Japan has won a hollow victory having gained an Empire at the cost of millions of dead, the military machine it had spent decades building up spent in Pacific and the jungles of Indonesia and New Guinea, her merchant fleet presumably much reduced as a result of the USN's and I guess USCG's submarine efforts and her position and the preeminent Asian power lost. No celebrations in the streets for sure, likely decade + of reconstruction efforts as the Empire looks inwards.
The United States has seen the network of alliances forged in wake of the 1st World War shattered beyond belief with decades of diplomacy thrown to the wayside, New York's position in Asia, the Middle East and Latin America effectively gone. Only Europe has the US maintained some semblance of the pre-war order with its alliance with France and Eire. Furthermore, Central America is proving to be a running sore one that should've never been added to the American Empire during the 1st Global War and one in which the current system of US puppet governors ruling over a disgruntled population seems to be unsustainable without a level of commitment post-war America would be comfortable with. American politics are in for one helluva time.
Russia has basically been reduced to a Drakian client it's survival dependent on and reliant upon Drakian support. Her population has been decimated, her industry wrecked and her armies shattered. Russia's position as a major power broker is gone for a generation.
India has emerged as one of two big winners. Dehli is the premier power in the Indo-Pacific, her armies victorious in Persia and Malaya, her cities intact and her economy likely riding high on a wave of wartime contracts and likely benefiting from considerable investment by Japan in an attempt to build up her ally. Tokyo's (Kyoto?) loss is Dehli's gain for the foreseeable future Dehli will be playing Kingmaker in Southeast Asia. Also, Indian President Krishna Mirchandani has basically accomplished everything he was hoping for and then some. the Hindu-nationalist parties which dominate the government are here to stay. Least they're opposed to the...
Drakians who have done an excellent job of playing the other powers off against each other to their gain. Acquiring Iberia, Eastern Anatolia, Arabia plus Russia as a fairly pliant client has effectively turned the Drakians from a middling Great power to a force capable of taking on any comers. Stoker is likely insufferable by this point and Aurica ain't going nowhere anytime soon. However, thanks to all the Anglo-Indians and other immigrants from the former Raj they aren't going to be seeing eye to eye with Dehli any time soon. I expect to see an arms build-up along the Shatt-al-Arab and the Indian Ocean that would put OTL's Inter-German Border to shame. Also, the Congo Sea is now a thing, the power output from the (Stoker?) Dam is likely a sight to behold, as is the malaria problem that is likely going to result from any places where they failed to clear cut enough vegetation. Maybe this will see the Drakians develop something to kill all mosquitoes given the massively expanded bio-warfare and by extension biological research in the SaBv-verse which is going to be at least 1 major plus for this world.
The direction the ANZAC's take might be interesting, New York has just shown a willingness to throw trusted allies under the bus and (Melbourne? Sydney? Albury?) and (Wellington? Auckland?) are probably considering taking the Scandinavian option and playing both sides against each other. Then again a decade of working together plus spilling blood side by side might make for some bonds that are damn hard to break.
The Rex powers have basically gained nothing except permeant Russian enmity and a glut of war dead, the Rexists have promised glory and failed to deliver, I'll be surprised if they survive without dialling up the Oppression meter to 11 and playing up the "enemy at the gates" card for all it's worth.
Japan has won a hollow victory having gained an Empire at the cost of millions of dead, the military machine it had spent decades building up spent in Pacific and the jungles of Indonesia and New Guinea, her merchant fleet presumably much reduced as a result of the USN's and I guess USCG's submarine efforts and her position and the preeminent Asian power lost. No celebrations in the streets for sure, likely decade + of reconstruction efforts as the Empire looks inwards.
The United States has seen the network of alliances forged in wake of the 1st World War shattered beyond belief with decades of diplomacy thrown to the wayside, New York's position in Asia, the Middle East and Latin America effectively gone. Only Europe has the US maintained some semblance of the pre-war order with its alliance with France and Eire. Furthermore, Central America is proving to be a running sore one that should've never been added to the American Empire during the 1st Global War and one in which the current system of US puppet governors ruling over a disgruntled population seems to be unsustainable without a level of commitment post-war America would be comfortable with. American politics are in for one helluva time.
Russia has basically been reduced to a Drakian client it's survival dependent on and reliant upon Drakian support. Her population has been decimated, her industry wrecked and her armies shattered. Russia's position as a major power broker is gone for a generation.
India has emerged as one of two big winners. Dehli is the premier power in the Indo-Pacific, her armies victorious in Persia and Malaya, her cities intact and her economy likely riding high on a wave of wartime contracts and likely benefiting from considerable investment by Japan in an attempt to build up her ally. Tokyo's (Kyoto?) loss is Dehli's gain for the foreseeable future Dehli will be playing Kingmaker in Southeast Asia. Also, Indian President Krishna Mirchandani has basically accomplished everything he was hoping for and then some. the Hindu-nationalist parties which dominate the government are here to stay. Least they're opposed to the...
Drakians who have done an excellent job of playing the other powers off against each other to their gain. Acquiring Iberia, Eastern Anatolia, Arabia plus Russia as a fairly pliant client has effectively turned the Drakians from a middling Great power to a force capable of taking on any comers. Stoker is likely insufferable by this point and Aurica ain't going nowhere anytime soon. However, thanks to all the Anglo-Indians and other immigrants from the former Raj they aren't going to be seeing eye to eye with Dehli any time soon. I expect to see an arms build-up along the Shatt-al-Arab and the Indian Ocean that would put OTL's Inter-German Border to shame. Also, the Congo Sea is now a thing, the power output from the (Stoker?) Dam is likely a sight to behold, as is the malaria problem that is likely going to result from any places where they failed to clear cut enough vegetation. Maybe this will see the Drakians develop something to kill all mosquitoes given the massively expanded bio-warfare and by extension biological research in the SaBv-verse which is going to be at least 1 major plus for this world.
The direction the ANZAC's take might be interesting, New York has just shown a willingness to throw trusted allies under the bus and (Melbourne? Sydney? Albury?) and (Wellington? Auckland?) are probably considering taking the Scandinavian option and playing both sides against each other. Then again a decade of working together plus spilling blood side by side might make for some bonds that are damn hard to break.
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Now, the task of stopping the Societists is in the hands of the Pan-Asians (especially India) as well as the Pan-Europeans. Who will likely soon become the best friends in the world.
Also, when the next war between Drakia and Europe or Asia (or both) happens, it will likely be utterly devastating to both sides, with no victor at all...
Also, when the next war between Drakia and Europe or Asia (or both) happens, it will likely be utterly devastating to both sides, with no victor at all...
I have a suggestion for EBR:
Instead of a two way Great Struggle/Cold war make it a three way conflict!
Three sides:
1. Societist block centred on Draka
2. Alliance for Democracy formed around America
3. A third faction formed around India-Japan axis which gathers other "independents"
Instead of a two way Great Struggle/Cold war make it a three way conflict!
Three sides:
1. Societist block centred on Draka
2. Alliance for Democracy formed around America
3. A third faction formed around India-Japan axis which gathers other "independents"
Also, I'm not visualizing these things on the map since it's about tiny islands, so I am going to ask:
- Azores and Madeira are both Drakian (as well as Cabo Verde and the Guinean Gulf islands), while the US-allied Spain in Exile holds the Canaries, right?
- Kerguelen and other Subantarctic Indian Ocean Islands are Drakian too? (and what about Bouvet Island?)
- What happened to Saint Helena, Ascension, Tristan da Cunha and Gough? I cannot quite discern their colour on the map, is that the US?
- Who owns the Chagos islands? India?
- Azores and Madeira are both Drakian (as well as Cabo Verde and the Guinean Gulf islands), while the US-allied Spain in Exile holds the Canaries, right?
- Kerguelen and other Subantarctic Indian Ocean Islands are Drakian too? (and what about Bouvet Island?)
- What happened to Saint Helena, Ascension, Tristan da Cunha and Gough? I cannot quite discern their colour on the map, is that the US?
- Who owns the Chagos islands? India?
Well, I expect Ireland will be applying for American statehood ASAP to better-ensure its safety from Britain and Drakia...
That ended badly. I really hope that at SOME point the Draka are going to finally end up rolled back in a war.
Should be the Roma homeland. Is called it "Romania", by the way? (OTL's Romania is generally spelled "Rumania" ITTL, not to be confused with Greek-dominated "Rhomania").
I suppose that both Japan and India have a quite a poor view of Drakia.
I wonder why the Draka treat the roma so well, I imagined that they would become bondsman
I wonder how America regards this period of its history... I could see the US getting its own brief...well not Facist but definitely Revanchist spell. Sure the people are very weary of War and just wanted out but then again, so did Germany and look how that turned out. Again Ill definitvely say there not going Facist (One of the blessed things about our constuion and system of government is that it makes it very hard to really go for a dictatorship and the American People would resist) but I could defintely see in a decade or two Politicans saying "We need to regain American Greatness on the world stage, stand up to the Draka and assorted scum" and "The Pacifists and Newspapers stabbed our boys straight in the Back"...Add to that the French going for a Hard Right Conservative Government which flirts with Rexism and how ITTL France influences the US...Yeah.
My guess for the Cold War is that its going to be a three way affair between the US/Europeon Block, the Pan Asianists and ovbuiosly the Societists...The US will win in the end because to be blunt both the Societists and Pan Asianists are unsustaniable, the Draka being a literal evil Mordor whose population would quite happily murderize the other half and the Pan Asianists tripping on there own weight as the entire Pan Asian experiment of melding cultures together to fit a Japaneses Cultural agenda just dosent work...
My guess for the Cold War is that its going to be a three way affair between the US/Europeon Block, the Pan Asianists and ovbuiosly the Societists...The US will win in the end because to be blunt both the Societists and Pan Asianists are unsustaniable, the Draka being a literal evil Mordor whose population would quite happily murderize the other half and the Pan Asianists tripping on there own weight as the entire Pan Asian experiment of melding cultures together to fit a Japaneses Cultural agenda just dosent work...
Because their leadership saw the likely consequences of resistance in the face of advancing Societist armies and switched sides at right moment, IIRC. I suppose they reckoned the alternative to be devastation of the homeland and Bondage, so they can be justfied in thinking they have chosen the lesser evil anyway. Judging by how similar deals worked for Judaea and other Drakian princely states, it's likely to be only marginally less bad for their people, and surely gets them no warm feelings from anyone else.
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They weren't on the receiving end of any warm feelings anyway, so it's even sensible -- in a way -- to side with the "new boss" who can guarantee a secure position in the social hierarchy. And from the Drakian perspective, it's an effective strategy to indulge this, because it results in a loyal population: the Roma know that if the Drakian regime collapses, they'll be genocided for collaborating.
When the Draka collapse finally it's going to be a absolute cluster fuck of genocide,ethnic cleansing and power vacuum the world has ever seen... It's going to be a neo dark ages which will set back human kind for centuries perhaps millennia....Jesus I need a drink.
The greatest collapse of the greatest Empire humanity has ever known indeed.