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Ironically enough they're probably reaching the 150 million finish line with "loaners" of the most difficult and irascible Bonded Labor and other Pact of Blood slaves. Those bits of Hungary and Poland and all of Rumania taken at the end of the Great Patriotic War would have been part of unreconstructed modern nation-states cowed by direct military occupation, but not utterly unmade. Rumania and Hungary especially I think would have been... annoying for their Drakian and Rhomanian overseers, thanks to being in the interior of the direct garrisons eyeing Pan-Europe and guarding the border and the wonderful ability of the dark Transylvanian forests to hide sniper's boltholes like nobodies business. With that in mind, and the greater ability to present them as non-Slavic inhuman others to the Societist Russians, I think a lot of Transylvania Rumanians, Szekelys, Magyars, etc... were shipped out to Siberia as some of the "economic aid" provided to supine Russia.
I assumed the voracious Drakian BLS, and the Agoge need for Enemies of the State as educational victims, would devour rebellious Rumanians enough.
 

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So for our own personal edification as readers would some one post a brief description of the parties in the US and the known presidents-their parties and terms ?
So these are the names I gleaned that were specifically listed as President or Vice President -not 100 percent certain in the cases of Jay,Jefferson and Polk. This doesnt seem to be a complete list up till 1981 of course and doesnt include years of their terms and party.
Artemas Ward
Henry Lee III (VP)
John Jay
Thomas Jefferson
Richard Rush
Jeremiah Sherman
James K Polk
Robert M Butler
William Lyon MacKenzie
Henry Jarvis
Adam Dixon
Gerald Wilcox
Charles Perdue
Artemas Cotton (VP)
Seth Sandoval
Vincent Connolly
Richard Bradley
Iya Nacuaa
Ewan McKnight
President Reid (first name? )
 
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Don't forget Fascism too. The two themselves are not necessarily belligerent to each other, but it wouldn't have taken a revolution if it had just been easier to reconcile Situationism's hedonism and Fascism's conformist deontology, well at least in China. Situationism here was literally born in an avant-garde convention in San Francisco!

Also, Chinese Situationism has to placate the Socialists within the country, and that meant flirting with some state control of the economy for some time.
To be honest, from what I can infer, Situationism as practiced by Xi'an quickly turned into a rather superficialized (i.e. practical) version of the original philosophy, given China's focus on nationalism, military competence, and such. "Situationism with Chinese characteristics," to borrow from OTL.
 

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For the Drakian leaders I gleaned the list below .There is one mentioned as being between Berthold and Thomas but no name is given...

Wilard Berthold
Unkown Name
John Thomas
Benedict Westermann
William Nisbet
Lloyd McRae
General Saxon -the Black Knight
Lindsey Stoker
Laverne Decker
Archibald Valois
Ulysses Kobold
Kenneth Swadling
Jeremy Dart
 
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When the war began in 1981 China had roughly a hundred hiroshima-sized bombs. They could have gone for more, but they were trying to keep their process secret for as long as possible, and they had begun the process of switching over to more miniaturized warheads (so there wasn't much point in mass producing the inferior early versions).
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When the war began in 1981 China had roughly a hundred hiroshima-sized bombs. They could have gone for more, but they were trying to keep their process secret for as long as possible, and they had begun the process of switching over to more miniaturized warheads (so there wasn't much point in mass producing the inferior early versions).

After 5 years... they produced 100 devices at a rate of less then 2 weapons per month...
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Y'know what, fuck the Situationists, goddamned pretentious annoying asshats
 
After 5 years... they produced 100 devices at a rate of less then 2 weapons per month...
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Y'know what, fuck the Situationists, goddamned pretentious annoying asshats

The US had about 300 bombs in 1950 and the USSR 200 in 1955. Although less, 100 bombs isn't that low number after 5 years, particularly if Chinese have been concerned with secrecy.
 
And the Situationists have been busy leading China out of the Han Republican revolution against East Asia, being Japan's convenient resource reserves to throw at America during the Great Pacific War, and all before that being frozen out of development far longer and to far greater extent under the Tian then even OTL's Qing managed. Plus Free China has been working on miniaturizing and improving them as they go, as clearly the Drakians wouldn't be mad enough to launch an apocalyptic war so soon after the Columbian Incident right?...
 
Its enough to give love to the Drakia and Japan if they wanted...
In OTL, nuclear bombs is sort of *the* WMD. ITTL, it is one out of many.

OTL, the SU tested the Царь-бо́мба with a yield of 50 megatons in 1961. For comparison, ITTL, China in 1981 has an arsenal of 100 bombs with a yield of 12-18 kiloton or some 1,5 megatons in total. Drakia has "close to two thousand rounds waiting in orbit" "with low single-digit kilotons of force". Assuming that to average 5 kt, then Drakia ITTL has 6-7 times the Chinese arsenal waiting in orbit and the ability to launch more, and we haven't even begun to talk about biological or chemical.

Rather than panicking when Chinese radio starts broadcasting "Fake Dragon Cough Disease, Real Dragon Spit Fire", Drakia will literally look at Ruby as 3 times orbital rods bombs. The after-effects come afterward.

AfD victory may come or not, but the deciding factor is unlikely to be Chinese nukes as it stands now.
 
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In OTL, nuclear bombs is sort of *the* WMD. ITTL, it is one out of many.
They do have the advantage that they don't need to be in a position of high potential kinetic energy to be useful.

A nuke and its delivery platform can be stored in any warehouse in China, or under a camo net, or underground. Rods from God have to sit right up there in orbit where everyone can shoot at them.

That gives nukes better survivability and second-strike capacity than RoGs.

In fact, the Chinese might bank on that: let Drakia hit its one space gun, and then focus the rest of its weapons on the AfD. Then break out the nukes once they've shot their bolt.

Bomb Capetown Cario and Aurcuia or what ever it's called could force a collapse
Just because we haven't seen Drakia's continuance of government measures doesn't mean they don't have it.

Although given the lack of a tradition of peaceful transfer of power that might be wishful thinking.
 
In OTL, nuclear bombs is sort of *the* WMD. ITTL, it is one out of many.

OTL, the SU tested the Царь-бо́мба with a yield of 50 megatons in 1961. For comparison, ITTL, China in 1981 has an arsenal of 100 bombs with a yield of 12-18 kiloton or some 1,5 megatons in total. Drakia has "close to two thousand rounds waiting in orbit" "with low single-digit kilotons of force". Assuming that to average 5 kt, then Drakia ITTL has 10-13 times the Chinese arsenal waiting in orbit and the ability to launch more, and we haven't even begun to talk about biological or chemical.

Rather than panicking when Chinese radio starts broadcasting "Fake Dragon Cough Disease, Real Dragon Spit Fire", Drakia will literally look at Ruby as 3 times orbital rods bombs. The after-effects come afterward.

AfD victory may come or not, but the deciding factor is unlikely to be Chinese nukes as it stands now.


But doesn't the ads have more kinetic orbitals? So my scenario seems more likely the world burns in a fire of nukes orbital bombardment and plague and reduces to a 1983 doomsday or stars and stripes forever state where the highest authority is the local warlord
 
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