Separated at Birth: America and Drakia
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He is based and red pilled beyond what the human mind is capable of understanding.
So, yeah, what is the Imperial Japanese Navy like and how does it compare right now to the navies of its most realistic enemies (the East Asian Navy, the Chinese Navy, the Indian Navy (combined with that of minor Jakarta Pact members and Indonesia), and the US Pacific Fleet)?
Just to get a feeling for the level of difference. As a back of the napkin calculation... It feels like at this point that in terms of people getting a High School education (still attending formal school at age 16) that the AFD has the Pact outnumbered 15:1 and not counting the Japanese in the Pact, the ratio is closer to 20:1. I'm not sure the Allies in WWII ever reached that ratio relative to the Germans.
If a country does decide to leave the Pact now, they might gain considerable leniency from the Alliance of Democracy if they warn the Alliance about the upcoming conventional strike and the Stone Dogs Project, and hand over copies of the vaccine immediately.
I don't think that Drakia shared details with its allies, or intends to.
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Part of it is because Stirling is a bit of a hack, but the other part is that most people - who only get information through pop culture, if that - don't even realize how bad the Nazis were aside from "gassed six million Jews". Shit, there was a study that showed that most people don't even know who Stalin was.
Which is rather unfortunate since a lot more people should know about Holdomor, the purges and five year plans...
Again: if Drakia takes it lying down.
The Archon seems nutters enough to allocate precious superweapons to punishing defecters.
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Gosh the horror of Drakia in this tl is so interesting it really shows how generations upon generations of hatred being fostered and encouraged by a society can create this freakish Frankensteins monster out of all of the worst parts of western civilization. It's been fascinating how each successive generation becomes more and more removed from reality and their own propaganda has become the entire world for them. So happy to have discovered this tl
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No, he's just not giving a complete list. He does assume that they are mostly degenerate though.
Thank you!
In universe? It's a random code name chosen so as to not imply anything about the true nature of the project.
I will not. All is explained in the next update
It wasn't deliberate, although I do feel like I have a much better understanding of what a pandemic looks like now that I'm living through one. The idea was just to come up with a more realistic "ultimate bioweapon" than vanilla Stone Dogs, since a virus that can be "activated" by a radio signal is bullshit.
TB, Rabies, and HIV can have 3 month incubation periods, although it's not the most common presentation. For influenza viruses the incubation period is usually measured in days, so one in months is crazy high.
Good question. The H. Drakensis are presented as the collective children of the nation, even if they are so biologically, and as forerunners of the master race that everyone's descendants will eventually achieve. They'll get there early, but eventually your bloodline will also.
You know, what? You have changed my mind, This is what happens when you're trying to come up with a way for the military paradigm to change dramatically between the last war and this one. I'll edit it once I finish posting the dice interlude.
No, just a general superiority in almost every category that isn't biological warfare including numbers.
He wasn't planning to use it as a deterent. Kobold just decided to put a halt on preparations for a pre-emptive strike until relation had deteriorated further.
They are not! The other leaders of the Pact only know that they're being sent a vaccine and told to administer it. Other than Japan they're clients, they couldn't do anything anyway.
AfD has a bioweapons arsenal, but nothing this powerful.
The similarities did not occur to me, bu holy cow you have a point.
It's high. They've been using Bonded criminals and persons slated for euthanasia.
(a) Because they didn't know for sure that there was a transition. Swadling didn't announce he had taken power until he felt secure, and Dart didn't announce he had taken power until Swadling was dead he really was secure
(b)...
While the Alliance would certainly have won, they would have taken hundreds of millions of casualties. Why start a war when they're clearly winning the waiting game, and can rely on getting more more and more powerful in relation to their enemies simply by letting the clock run out?
Yeah, the Societists use a series of disconnected intranetworks instead of the Internet, so no comp-plague. It's a more secure approach, but it weakens them in a lot of other areas.
All will be covered in the dice interlude!
It is, and they'll be making more continuously now that the Archon has given the "go" order.
Probably not, given that Diversitarianism seems to have been a reaction to LTTW's Societism and Societism here is so different.
A misguided attempt to modernize good pre-Societist traditional values that went off the rails and became just as bad as the ideologies it claimed to oppose. The fact that it allied itself to democracies is proof that it's no better than they are.
Societism is the "moderate" ideology between the equally terrible poles of fascism/western liberalism and Rexism/Geoism which are considered two forms of the same thing
They are not. I don't think volcanoes work that way.
The Chinese scientist who first worked out "E=MC2" and all that published his findings, so they have access to the basic theory.
It's the strongest of the Pact navies and still stronger than either China or East Asia, but a lot weaker than it used to be and behind the US Pacific Fleet and the Indian Navy.
Well, we'll find out soon!
Thank you, I'm glad you're enjoying it!
Because its literally impossible to control a virus after continent has been breached.
You need to massively buff the alliance and debuff the pact. Like minus five to the result based on their massive technological and manpower problems . It would kill all the world building if they steamed rolled against a numerically and technological superior foe. So basically implement something like the river crossing penalty in paradox plaza games.
Interlude: Stone Dogs Dice
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Interlude: Stone Dogs Dice
Those first few months of the last war are pretty much predetermined- the Pact will do a fair amount of damage, then fall back on the defensive as considerably more damage is done to them. As devastating as the conventional and “conventional” warfare between the Alliance for Democracy and the Pact of Blood is going to be, the war will really be decided by how badly the Stone Dogs manage to devastate the Alliance demographically. If enough key Alliance countries at least do okay, then they should be able to overcome what’s left of the Societists- even if the Societists roll as well or even a little better than they do. If the AfD falls into chaos due to its population losses, then Drakia is capable of emerging- shattered but alive- to crush the Allied survivors and establish a global hegemony. You can guess how stable and successful that hegemony is likely to be.
So;
-All non-members of the Pact of Blood get a -5 malus because the Stone Dogs really are that bad
-All members of the Pact of Blood get a +5 bonus because they have access to protective vaccines and a “floor” of 10
-All members of the Alliance for Democracy get a +2 bonus from their world-wide cross-border public health co-operation and extensive biowarfare planning
-Former members of the Pan-European Pact get a +1 bonus from their experience facing biowarfare during the Great Patriotic War, so do Drakia, Russia, and Rhomania, the USA, India, Japan, East Asia, and China get a similar bonus from their Great Pacific War biowarfare experience
-Countries with more than 100 million inhabitants get a “big country” malus of -1 to -4 because they’re trying to halt epidemics across such a large population
-Countries with world class public health systems get a +2 bonus
-Drakia gets a +2 biowarfare expertise, and an extra +2 because they created Stone Dogs and are therefore the most familiar with it
-Under-developed countries like Afghanistan, Tibet, Borneo, Peru etc. get a -2 malus because they can’t respond as effectively to the diseases, but they also get a “floor” of 6, because their underdeveloped nature will make it harder for the Stone Dogs to spread through their population
-Nations directly bordering the Pact of Blood get a -2, so do countries bordering Centroamerica and Colombia, as do Centroamerica and Colombia because Drakian agents used them as bases from which to introduce the Stone Dogs
-Island nations get a +2
-Neutrals too weak or too far away for Drakia to bother targeting get a +5 bonus because they aren’t dealing with orbital bombardment or strategic bombing at the same time as a triple plague
-I reserve the right to fuck with the numbers slightly in the name of authorial fiat, narrative reasons, and stuff like “they’re right next door to a country that totally collapsed, so they’re going to have a rougher time of it”.
I will not be making any changes to this system as a result of reader requests or arguments and I am standing firm on this.
The results of the rolls themselves translate to;
20: Crit negates all maluses. This nation responded to the most disastrous public health event since the Columbian Exchange perfectly. Conventional war damage either failed to interfere with public health efforts, or inadvertently aided them by making it harder for people to travel and spread the Stone Dogs. Immediate and effective quarantine efforts until vaccines were worked out may have initially interfered with this country’s ability to wage war, but they resulted in very few people dying to disease and in the long run it will be capable of mobilizing a relatively unimpaired war machine.
19-18: This nation successfully quarantined the locations of initial outbreaks within their borders. Inside those areas casualties were high, but the rest of the country was spared. Their military is weakened, but only mildly. 2-5% casualties.
16-17: This nation’s public health response to the virus was disrupted, either by a less-than-ideal response from the authorities, damage from the war, or some other factor. Ultimately hard work still managed to make a difference and it protected most of its population long enough to create vaccines or to acquire vaccines from someone who did. 6-10% casualties, post-outbreak military effectiveness degraded but still there.
14-15: Either someone seriously screwed up, or the enemy did a really good job of disrupting epidemic response. The Stone Dogs had essentially uncontrolled spread in a significant section of the country, and there were outbreaks elsewhere. Government operations are seriously impaired, military effectiveness significantly degraded. 10-17%.
12-13: Leading government and military figures died after the government lost (or failed to) control the spread of the Stone Dogs and was forced to regain control subsequently. While the state still exists it is much weaker and is likely under a military dictatorship or an emergency government whose authority is nonexistent in the hinterlands. Military effectiveness severely degraded, 18-25% casualties.
10: This nation failed to effectively halt the spread of the Stone Dogs and only partially rallied later into the outbreak. An emergency government under the leadership of a previously minor or middle-ranking figure exists, whether military or civilian they suffer from a shortage of legitimacy. Central government authority is badly weakened and significant parts of the country are outside of its control. These regions may be in anarchy, or they may be in the hands of rebels or state elements who refuse to recognize the national leadership. Military restricted to purely defensive operations with badly disrupted logistic functions. 33% casualties.
8-9: Only the most theoretical national government exists in the form of questionable authorities who control an emergency capital and command the notional allegiance of some regional officials and fragments of the military. The knock-on effects of the plagues have resulted in a number of more minor disasters- fires burning out of control without firefighters to oppose them, food shortages due to the absence of farm laborers, civil unrest, etc. Most of the country is outside of the nominal government’s control. Military capable of offering symbolic resistance only. 33-40% casualties.
6-7: As the Stone Dogs ripped though the population society crumbled and the national government collapsed entirely. Some regional authorities fared better, and there are places where casualties were much lower under state officials, military leftovers, warlords, rebels, or criminal gangs. Conventional resistance to an invader could be expected to collapse in the face of even a semi-functioning foreign military (unconventional resistance in the form of terrorism or guerilla warfare still a thing however). 40-50%
4-5: There are a few local islands of stability under military remnants or warlords, but everything else is anarchy with no government beyond the level of an armed gang. Knock-on disasters from the collapse have taken a substantial toll on top of the Stone Dogs. In the short-term most people would welcome or at least accept the rule of a foreign occupier promising to make sure they are fed and to get the lights back on. 60-70% casualties.
2-3: There is at least one noteworthy faction existing in an isolated area under a competent strongman. Beyond that the country is anarchy for now- it’ll be a couple years before any more organized factions coalesce. Many of those who survived the Stone Dogs can expect to die from other causes, quite a few are simply fleeing as refugees to relatively well-off neighboring countries. Heavily depopulated. 70% casualties.
1: Fumble negates all bonuses. If the country that rolled this is a member of the Pact of Blood, then it means either that the Stone Dogs vaccines failed to work, or that one or more of the viruses mutated beyond the ability of its vaccine to provide protection. All members of the Pact lose their vaccine bonus and acquire the same malus as everyone else. If the country that rolled this is not a member of the Pact of Blood, then it means that they failed entirely to contain the Stone Dogs viruses. This may have been because of bad decisions and incompetence on the part of their leadership, a refusal to let quarantine measures interfere with military mobilization, war damage, or just bad luck, but as a result 85% of the population is dead and most of the survivors can be expected to perish from the war, knock-on disasters, or flee abroad. The government and military have completely disintegrated, this country is almost entirely depopulated and has effectively ceased to exist.
There will be modifications depending on what side the country was on, its specific local circumstances, etc. Keep in mind that we’re just rolling for the effect of the Stone Dogs virus without taking into account the devastation of the first few months of the Final War as everyone throws orbital kinetic projectiles and space bombers full of chemical weapons and lesser biologicals at each other. Meaning that the situation may actually be much worse once than what’s described above once the plagues have run their course- a country that would have been a major conventional target for the other side (say France) then rolling low to respond to the Stone Dogs, might be in far worse shape than their roll would suggest.
I will not be making any changes to this system as a result of reader requests or arguments and I am standing firm on this. Not that I don't love you guys, but this is happening.
To give a few examples, working out the bonuses and maluses the USA has:
+2 Alliance for Democracy
+2 World Class Public Health System
+1 Biowarfare Veteran
-5 Stone Dogs
-2 Pact Neighbor
-3 Big Country
And Drakia has:
+5 Protective Vaccines
+2 World Class Public Health System (healthy Bondsmen are more productive)
+2 Biowarfare expert
+2 Country of Origin
+1 Biowarfare Veteran
-3 Big Country
While China has:
+1 Biowarfare Veteran
+5 Plot Armor
-5 Stone Dogs
-2 Pact Neighbor
-4 Big Country
Finally, Afghanistan has:
+5 Not Worth It
-5 Stone Dogs
-2 Pact Neighbor
-2 Underdeveloped
There is a small but significant chance of Drakia wiping itself out but leaving America unscathed and an even smaller chance of a mutual kill.
I have a list of all 45 countries in this TL in an arbitrary order (I’m not telling you what that order is). So, what I want you guys to do is to roll your own D20- using a simulator or a real D20- and then post the number you got. I will then apply those numbers to the list in the order they come in.
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