Fair enough. If Japan brings China into the war, then the Alliance wins, at least eventually.
Separated at Birth: America and Drakia
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1938 on both sides. This much of the west plus the corresponding Mexican and Canadian territories.
Admittedly I thought about the two worlds merging during the 1930's and the chaos that ensues.
Considering the level of orbital infrastructure in place at this point both the Pact of Blood and the AfD will learn that the Chinese have detonated an absolutely enormous bomb effectively immediately, from the flash and after effects alone. And as this is an above ground test they and both sides have extensive civil defence measures in place in a chemical warfare heavy environment they must have lots of air sensors so they will probably know the bomb caused a radiation surge fairly quickly as well. At that point it's a race to see who can field a deployable weapon first and it's a race the AfD should win.
Plot twist: it's a history book from the moon colony turned nation in exile... kinda like that one short story by Arthur Clarke where the protag was revealed to be on the moon staring at a destroyed earth...
Be a race to second place. It took three years for the Manhattan Project to produce a weapon from a decent foundation of fundamental science.
In three years, depending on when this interlude is, a superweapon war will have been long since been fought and concluded.
The moon colonies are described as being only quasi-self sufficient. I assumed this meant something like full oxygen and water recycling, maybe full food recycling, and some rapid prototyping for simple custom parts, but not a self-contained industrial base.
Any post-Apocalypse moon colony is going to be too busy bootstrapping to self-sufficiency to be concerned with history, or a vacuum preserved tomb.
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I just realised this: there's also this possibility of the Burmese being tired of Indian dominance. They can get a funny Situationist idea or two along with the Cambodians if the AfD's dice rolls a low enough number.
Also, there's no real mention on how the Confederation have stabilized itself since its formation, what with it being dominated by Manchurians and Koreans in population and the legacy of military franchise still being prevalent since its inception. While the political system may have provided for stability, there are still those groups right, right?
On the other hand, aren't the Czechs a practical puppet of the Pan-Europeans, if just not a formally diplomatic one at that that with German government basically relenting on them doing so in their Drakian overture?
Also, there's no real mention on how the Confederation have stabilized itself since its formation, what with it being dominated by Manchurians and Koreans in population and the legacy of military franchise still being prevalent since its inception. While the political system may have provided for stability, there are still those groups right, right?
On the other hand, aren't the Czechs a practical puppet of the Pan-Europeans, if just not a formally diplomatic one at that that with German government basically relenting on them doing so in their Drakian overture?
OK, changes since map...
Colombia to *forced* neutrality.
Confederation of East Asia to AFD. (Note, functionally surrounded by countries that aren't AFD.
United Kingdom to sort of near AFD, but being *watched* more than even the standard Dictatorships in the Jakarta Pact.
Japan to Pact of Blood (but long leash), the way that the UK used to have (mostly because, like the UK, no land border with the Pact)
Tibet to Situationist.
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Also Naval Forces...
I'm guessing USA 1, India 2, Draka 3, Japan 4, Brazil 5, UPSA 6???
Japan would be third with Drakia in second. The USA would most likely be in first as they don't have to deal with a European land war's effects.
This TL basically has the entire concept of an exclusive national state be a failure:
The nations that succeeded are those that work with others and all of the existing states are multi-ethnic to a degree!
People from this this TL would probablyfin the exclusively national and microstates that we have in OTL weird and non functional.
The nations that succeeded are those that work with others and all of the existing states are multi-ethnic to a degree!
People from this this TL would probablyfin the exclusively national and microstates that we have in OTL weird and non functional.
Has India had enough time and development to build a navy that can beat the IJN?
I'd put it as: USA 1, Japan 2, Drakia 3, India 4 - though India and Drakia would probably be relatively close and perhaps could be swapped.
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Eh, I don't really think so; I think if people from ATL saw OTL they'd find a Drakia parallel in shitholes like North Korea or historical regimes like Stalin's Russia or the Axis Powers. It's not so much that Drakia is an "exclusive national state" but that it's militantly racist, expansionist, and dictatorial.
and as with any totalitarian state, there must be propaganda. imagine Starship Trooper style broadcasts being used in everyday Drakian life.
I didn't refer to Drakia I refereed to other mega states!
A strong and large state is needed so your enemies or mosters like Pact of Blood don't enslave you!
So in the event of an Alliance victory, what happens to the former Drakia territory? Are we talking full conquest or focus on creating independent nations?
Probably an attemp to create independent nation, but most of the former drakian territories will be such a mess that I am sure the AfD will not want to be anywhere near
It's quite ironic how the man that started the First Draco-American War played a large part in delaying the third. The conversation between Klein and Kobold must have been quite awkward, especially since I imagine the Drakian government under Stoker must have tried to assassinate Klein a number of times.
I wonder if during the Final War, we might see astronauts fighting on the Moon and trying to invade each other's outposts.
Nah, that's just how the lens they're filtering it through ideologically.
Tibet is actively attempting to eliminate the "work concept" and money, and their economy is, um, struggling is putting it mildly. They're relying on Chinese aid, but trying to avoid putting in place the kind of economic reforms China wants.
Well that's as of 1965. By 1980 they've had another 15 years to recover. They're still a lot weaker than the OTL Soviet Union at the same time.
The Czechs know that if war breaks out Eastern/Central Europe will be right on the front line, and they aren't confident that Germany, France, and the AfD would be able to protect them. Czech diplomacy is about hedging their bets so that they can either keep their neutrality or join the Pact if it wins.
Yeah, you can do some really impressive stuff in space with 21st or even mid to late-20th century technology if you're willing to spend the money and the resources.
1938 on both sides. This much of the west plus the corresponding Mexican and Canadian territories.
Admittedly I thought about the two worlds merging during the 1930's and the chaos that ensues.
It's hard to see how the RU and the rump SaB USA could interact in any way other than a war.
Yeah, I really should address them. They're still kind of shaky and aid from the rest of the AfD has been essential to them hanging in there.
They are not puppets, they are just very weak militarily and being very careful with their diplomacy.
Yeah, that's pretty spot on. The UK is positioned a little like OTL Yugoslavia during the Cold War.
That reflects my personal views. I think that being willing to work with and accept other groups gives your country a big advantage over nations that insist on being exclusive. Even Drakia is working with non-white ethnicities via the Honorary White Citizens.
That looks accurate to me.
The border haven't changed much since 1965, it's just the alliances that have shifted a little.
Oh, Klein was very cognizant as to the irony and took great pleasure in the fact that Drakia was now asking him for things.
So the next update is a three-parter;
(1) a brief chapter
(2) a long interlude
(3) a "dice rolling" interlude
You guys want them all at once, or spread out across three days, or spread out across three hours, or what? I'm down for whatever.
(1) a brief chapter
(2) a long interlude
(3) a "dice rolling" interlude
You guys want them all at once, or spread out across three days, or spread out across three hours, or what? I'm down for whatever.