It's honestly right up there with the Republican Union in terms of being unchristian while fanatically proclaiming their devotion to Christ.
Separated at Birth: America and Drakia
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I mean he's technically top of the hierarchy in both countries so that's not really a surprise.
They would destroy everyone around them in a mad dash to annihilate each other. They're vastly similar but racial and religious differences would make them instant and bone deep enemies.
Depends on when exactly they're being sent to OTL, and at which point in OTL.
Aside from the obvious ideological differences, the Republican Union is arguably more genocidal and utterly batshit than Drakia.
*USA > Drakia > RU in terms of the evilness of dark mirror counterparts of the OTL United States.
I mean, it's definitely interesting, but that's not exactly unique to this timeline…
Oh gosh, the world would be fucked. Imagine three whole continents and then some being ruled entirely by crazed white supremacists.
One was a fundamentalist war-cult, the other was... a fundamentalist war cult?
Nah, Drakia is an unapologetic classist and reactionary that acquired an empire here, while the Republican Union of WMIT is a quite modernistic, if genocidal and theocratic nation-state. In spite of their heterodoxy from mainline Christianity, their attitudes, beliefs, and goals they had are all too different from each other.
Oh no, that particular comment wasn't about the RU comparison. That was a joke about OTL religious fundamentalism.
Oddly enough, out of all the fascist, racist, genocidal and theocratic polities that keep popping up in this TL, I found the Khmer Rouge-esque Radical Geoist Russia to be the most unnerving of the lot.
It’s from the “What Madness is This” TL. Basically it’s a TL where there is no constitutional convention, so the US collapses, Aaron Burr creates a fundamentalist Christian sect that gets more radical over time, Napoleon wins in Europe. most of the country is reunited in the 1850s (except the Carolina’s remain chugging), and then they set out to conquer the rest of the Americas under a fascist and religious fundamentalist regime.
I always thought it was an unaddressed irony that the original Draka were obsessed with the idea of the Ubermensch, yet are kind of antithetical to it. The main Draka we focus on like Erik, Yolande and Gwyndolyn all serve the state with unwavering and unquestioning loyalty.
It just rubs the wrong way, however. The author have spent time seriously coming up with the points, themes, and tone he set-up in this timeline, and to see the esteemed name of the Separate-verse being thoroughly subordinated to the clearly inferior Draka-series () is a disservice to that labor and
my adorationthe attention that we gave to this TL.
But meh, it's EBR's call, and with his skill, I would remain a fan regardless on the way it was written and branded.
While I am very flattered by the fact that you all think I should publish this, I have no expectation or desire to make money off of Separated at Birth and I don't really want to publish what is essentially fan fiction under my own name. Call it pride, but when I finally do get published for real I want it to be something original. Like I said earlier, I'll make a pdf out of the TL once it's done and see if I can find a way for anyone who wants it to get it for free.
"Rods from god" are the kind of thing that totally could exist IOTL, were it not for the Outer Space Treaty and the fact that they really aren't all that powerful- their main advantage over nuclear weapons is the absence of fallout and their main advantage over conventional explosive bombs is that they're all but impossible to intercept or shoot down. You'd need a universe without nuclear weapons or ballistic missiles and an obsession with ultra-heavy artillery... hang on...
Wasn't Crypteria the official name for "Skull House" in the Vanilla Drakaverse?
I really need to work out an answer to this question, don't I?
In theory any whites with "Superior genes".
Thank you! Real cool to hear that you're enjoying my work.
Also, having just watched the first three episodes of season 2 of The Boys, I can't help but picture Homelander and Stormfront as what a lot of the Homo drakensis kids turned out to be (minus the superpowers). Homelander's costume has a bit too much red-white-and-blue imagery, but the twists it puts on that imagery are already vaguely fascist (in the OTL sense, especially the golden eagles), on top of his own Ubermensch personality. Stormfront, meanwhile, has the red and black costume, and is established in the show's universe as a virulent racist by episode three, to say nothing of both her name and her comic-book counterpart being a straight-up Nazi. (And said costume looks like a toned-down version of something that one of Stirling's S&M Draka women might wear.)
That got me thinking about how superheroes might evolve ITTL. I doubt the Americans would cotton on so readily to a figure like Superman, Wonder Woman, or the Mighty Thor, even a heroic one. The idea of superpowered beings who hail from a superior race (Kryptonian, Amazonian, Asgardian) acting as the guardians of humanity would reek of societism's racial hierarchy too much. OTOH, figures like Batman, Iron Man, and the Green Lantern, ordinary humans using advanced (and possibly alien or supernatural) weapons and training, would probably be quite common, as would people who were either once ordinary but were granted superpowers later on (like Spider-Man or the Incredible Hulk) or had abilities that served as double-edged swords that made their lives harder in some ways (like Marvel's mutants). Super-teams would also be quite popular, meshing well with the "e pluribus unum" ethos of TTL's alt-fascism, which still has currency in American culture even if it's not as hot as it used to be.
The Draka, meanwhile, would probably love the godlike superheroes and see them as aspirational figures, symbols of what they're trying to accomplish with the Homo drakensis project. I wonder how a Drakian version of Captain America would go, given their own "super soldier" and eugenics experiments.
Now what would a situationist superhero look like? Given their highly individualist "merry prankster" avant-garde ethos, I'd imagine that their superheroes would be subversive figures, turning their enemies' ways against them and seeking to tear down an oppressive system, all while being extremely flamboyant. King Mob Echo is probably gonna be a huge inspiration for them. In the US, where the situationists left their mark on the arts and the counterculture even if they never translated it to political activism, I can see (somewhat) more heroic, or at least morally cloudy, versions of Catwoman and the Joker being cut from a situationist cloth. That's before we get to China, where situationism took power and was enjoined to nationalism, and where things will probably be extremely weird in this regard.
Always good to meet another fan of The Boys!
I think that Homelander and Stormfront are good examples of the kind of people that many Homo Drakensis will grow up to become. While superheroes probably wouldn't have the same tropes as IOTL, the long tradition of humans telling stories about people with special powers means that something like it would probably emerge. I agree that America is probably going to go more in for ordinary humans using advanced technology, extensive training, magical artifacts etc, while Drakia would prefer godlike beings paternalistically protecting their lessers.
I would imagine the Situationists would like fourth-wall breaking Deadpool-esque character and people like the Joker but heroic.
Oh, I like this idea.
Now that the Drakians have effectively created a bunch of sociopathic heirs, I fear this new generation might take new, bolder steps in enforcing their insane doctrine... And I dread what would happen should they direct their ire towards that.
This is a legitimate work of art.
There were during the Ladder Revolutions!
I remember reading those comics not long after I first got into AH. They were quite good.
That is beautiful and fits perfectly with TTL's Situationism. Consider it cannon!
Caught up yesterday. I was rather disappointed by the failure of situationism in Britain.
It didn't seem critical at all, I was disappointed by the failure of Situationism in Britain also. I'm glad you've been enjoying the TL.
High praise!
Sorry to disappoint, I just thought that I should respond to some comments. I'm 1,500 words into the next chapter though, so hopefully it won't be too long!
What is the military of Situationist China like? I don't just mean organization and stuff like that (although that would be nice to see whether they stick with traditional officer ranks or go with naming all officers "Commanders" like the USSR prior to 1935) but also what their military doctrine is like and what their military focuses on.
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I just realized:
Earlier and higher industrialization than OTL. Drakia controls the entirety of the Middle East. Nuclear power delayed.
The energy crisis is going to suck.
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Maskirovka--the use of military deception at all operational levels, at all times--strikes me as a very natural extension of the Situationist mode of thought, and if it hasn't been put into practice yet Free China probably will.
Earlier and higher industrialization than OTL. Drakia controls the entirety of the Middle East. Nuclear power delayed.
The energy crisis is going to suck.
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A note on equipment: on one hand, China is very much the first Situationist power, so no technology transfers. On the other hand, no intellectual suppression and a solid industrial base to start with. So there'll be more home-grown equipment a lot earlier and of better quality.
Maskirovka--the use of military deception at all operational levels, at all times--strikes me as a very natural extension of the Situationist mode of thought, and if it hasn't been put into practice yet Free China probably will.
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I would have thought not so much Joker/Deadpool as Ambush Bug/Gwenpool. Less vicious, more weird.