senior Nazi war criminal destinations other than Argentina and Paraguay

yofie

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If Argentina, along with Paraguay and Uruguay, was truly among the Allies and it didn't have a far-right military government during and after World War II (by Peron and his predecessors), I would imagine that upper-level Nazi war criminals like Eichmann, Mengele, Priebke, Bormann, and others would have gone to such places as Chile, Brazil, Bolivia, and the Middle East, and especially Spain (with its right-wing dictator Franco) and possibly Portugal as well. In other words, it seems to me that Spain would have gotten the bulk of top Nazi war criminals escaping Germany and so forth. Does that make sense?

If so, then is it Spain that would have had terrorist attacks like against the Israeli Embassy in 1992 and a Jewish community centre in 1994 (both of which took place OTL in Argentina)?
 
I think Spain would be embarassed by the likes of Mengele and such. For example they only gave Laval 90 days before they kicked him out. I would expect the more notorious types would get similar such treatment.

Places like Paraquay, people just don't care what goes on there, except for motivated Nazi hunters, and such regimes can use these kind of refugess, beholden to the the dictator for letting them live there and not to the local population, plus their skilled competent people if you can overlook what they did.

Spain is too legit of a country for that sort of thing. They have to live with their victorious European neighbors.
 

yofie

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Spain is too legit of a country for that sort of thing. They have to live with their victorious European neighbors.

You mean that Spain is more legit than Argentina and so forth? Although in many ways, Peron and Franco were quite similar (of course, there were differences too).
 

Nietzsche

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You mean that Spain is more legit than Argentina and so forth? Although in many ways, Peron and Franco were quite similar (of course, there were differences too).
No, he means that Spain has too much riding on it. As in, say, continued existence. No one is, well, going to invade Argentina to get out a handful of nazis. France, however, may bomb Spain into the fucking stone-age to get at the worse ones, or if there are enough of them.

And if France doesn't, the US and UK might. At the least, they'll starve Spain.
 
Spain was seen as being the "one that got away" from around 1942-1953. The Allies were looking for any excuse to invade Francoist Spain, but it was the coming of the Cold War that made the U.S., U.K., and France let Franco stay in power as he was an "anti-communist." However, if he's providing refuge for high ranking Nazi officials, expect that sympathy to disappear. Franco's regime barely made it through the late 40's; having him harbor guys like Mengele could be his downfall.
 
How about South Africa post 1948? The National Party had many former members of the Ossewabrandwag in its ranks who admired Hitler, were strongly anti-Semitic and had opposed South Africa's entry into the War. Perhaps if a number of Nazis make it there and are discovered it results in an earlier international isolation for Pretoria?
 
A number of Nazis found refuge in the Middle East after the war -- not as many as in Argentina and Paraguay, but more than a few.

Chile also had its share of ex-Nazis. There is an area of Chile with mountains and lakes that bears a startling resemblance to Bavaria; it attracted so many fugitive Nazis that there was even a German-language newspaper for a while IIRC.
 

yofie

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Spain was seen as being the "one that got away" from around 1942-1953. The Allies were looking for any excuse to invade Francoist Spain, but it was the coming of the Cold War that made the U.S., U.K., and France let Franco stay in power as he was an "anti-communist." However, if he's providing refuge for high ranking Nazi officials, expect that sympathy to disappear. Franco's regime barely made it through the late 40's; having him harbor guys like Mengele could be his downfall.

But hardly anyone would know much about this until the 1950s or 1960s, as far as I'm concerned. After all, OTL, Eichmann hid his identity in Argentina so well (and went by the alias Ricardo Klement for a while) that he wasn't captured until 1960, and then only by Mossad agents from Israel.

Chile also had its share of ex-Nazis. There is an area of Chile with mountains and lakes that bears a startling resemblance to Bavaria; it attracted so many fugitive Nazis that there was even a German-language newspaper for a while IIRC.

I mentioned Chile in my original question. You could say almost the same thing about parts of southern Brazil - that there were areas there that have been quite densely German, with its own institutions.
 

yofie

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How about South Africa post 1948? The National Party had many former members of the Ossewabrandwag in its ranks who admired Hitler, were strongly anti-Semitic and had opposed South Africa's entry into the War. Perhaps if a number of Nazis make it there and are discovered it results in an earlier international isolation for Pretoria?

In addition to the places I listed initially, Switzerland/Liechtenstein could possibly be a good destination for ex-Nazis, and so could South West Africa (present-day Namibia) with its large German population.
 
What about Cuba, with a succession of right-wing dictatorships/strong men? Or would the population be too heterogeneous for ex-Nazis on the run?
 

Nietzsche

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What about Cuba, with a succession of right-wing dictatorships/strong men? Or would the population be too heterogeneous for ex-Nazis on the run?
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Why the hell would they travel to an island just a handful of miles from the United States? And one that the US fucking owns? They'd have to be suicidal or suicidally stupid to do that.
 

Wolfpaw

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Africa or other colonies as mercenaries. One race war is as good as another, wot? Though IIRC quite a few Germans joined the French Foreign Legion post-War. Lots of Deutsche being spreckensied in Indochina and Algeria 'mongst the Legionnaires.


Rhodesia, South Africa, Syria, Egypt and Iran would be choice locations.
 

Wolfpaw

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Why the hell would they travel to an island just a handful of miles from the United States? And one that the US fucking owns? They'd have to be suicidal or suicidally stupid to do that.
You'd be surprised how forgiving both the US Government and the Outfit can be to far-right exiles, especially if Nazi chemists start putting their skills to work in the drug trade.

And you could say that Castro was suicidally stupid for going Communist despite being just a handful of miles from the US, but 50+ years and god knows how many assassination attempts shows us something else.
 

Nietzsche

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You'd be surprised how forgiving both the US Government and the Outfit can be to far-right exiles, especially if Nazi chemists start putting their skills to work in the drug trade.

And you could say that Castro was suicidally stupid for going Communist despite being just a handful of miles from the US, but 50+ years and god knows how many assassination attempts shows us something else.

There's a difference here. Castro has control of the island. The nazis? They won't.
 

Wolfpaw

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There's a difference here. Castro has control of the island. The nazis? They won't.
Which arguably makes it far easier to hide. Get a job with UF or buy some villa in Oriente and you'll be fine so long as you've got your fake ID nailed down.

And what, like the US is going to spend time and resources hunting Nazis in Cuba? We got bored of doing that in Europe, especially after we realized how foaming-at-the-mouth Nazis tended to be when it came to anti-Communism.
 
A number of Nazis found refuge in the Middle East after the war -- not as many as in Argentina and Paraguay, but more than a few.

This. I know that Egypt employed quite a few Nazi rocket scientists, who were dispatched by the Mossad. Otto Skorzeny spent time in Egypt, and allegedly organized fedayeen raids into Israel. And Syria also took in Alois Bruner, and was last heard from there in 2001 (if he is still alive, he would have turned 100 in April). More Nazis could potentially have gotten refuge in Arab countries, though the Mossad would probably have been running around the Arab world picking them off.
 

yofie

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From all that I've seen recently, it sounds like without Argentina being at the centre of the ex-Nazi network in South America, the ex-Nazis would have been more spread out around the world than OTL? In other words, no one country would have as big a proportion as OTL Argentina did?

Plus, why didn't the likes of Peru, Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, Mexico, etc. receive a large number of ex-Nazis OTL?
 
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