Second CSA-USA War peace results

Victory condition

  • USA annexes south

    Votes: 25 69.4%
  • CSA balkanize North

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • USA annexes border states

    Votes: 8 22.2%
  • CSA annexes border states

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 8.3%

  • Total voters
    36
Let's say somehow the CSA wins the ACW, then later another war starts between the USA and the CSA and one side wins unconditionally, or limited victory. What would the peace treaty look like? Would the U.S do full reintegration? Would the CSA balkanize the US?
 
We need to know how the war ended in the first place. Did European intervention get the south its win or did it limp to victory in 1864 on its own steam? What were the terms?

Who started the second conflict, and what was it over? Who has more international support?
 
Was it a late C.S.A victory or early C.S.A victory cause if it's like 30-50 years down the road that could make a big difference and dose ether side have allies.
 
I was thinking that the CSA would win early in the ACW, and that the second war could either have British or no intervention depending if you want a total or limited victory on either side.
 
I was thinking that the CSA would win early in the ACW, and that the second war could either have British or no intervention depending if you want a total or limited victory on either side.

Well the more important question is what do the respective publics and political leaderships of the two sides want? In general we would assume the USA/North should have the advantage. People tend to over estimate the military prowess of the Confederacy because they ignore it was on the defensive for most of the war. In addition you might note that when the South tried offensives into the border states and even more into the Union proper things rapidly came unstuck.

So in a later war from an early peace we can assume that neither side learned a lot and likely both have forgotten even more. However both sides probably maintain larger land forces than OTL. Under such circumstances I would estimate the Union advantage to be greater and likely they would snip off border territories but probably not entire states as the Confederacy would throw everything into preventing that to avoid start a cycle of wars that would see them progressively gnawed to death. Unless ideologically driven the North is likely to be content with a reasonably cheap victory as total wars to the death tend to be very expensive in lives and treasure.
 
Given the base economies in play here - the south was committed to remaining agrarian, the north was increasingly industrializing - there's almost no chance the *CSA manages to hold on without massive international support. With that support, it's down to how hard the British (the French alone lack the power projection) want to back their client state, but even with a full alliance, the British can only buy a few decades.

So the USA annexes the CSA, and turns inward to rebuild.
 
Given the base economies in play here - the south was committed to remaining agrarian, the north was increasingly industrializing - there's almost no chance the *CSA manages to hold on without massive international support. With that support, it's down to how hard the British (the French alone lack the power projection) want to back their client state, but even with a full alliance, the British can only buy a few decades.

So the USA annexes the CSA, and turns inward to rebuild.

Why does the USA want the whole CSA?
 
Given the base economies in play here - the south was committed to remaining agrarian, the north was increasingly industrializing - there's almost no chance the *CSA manages to hold on without massive international support. With that support, it's down to how hard the British (the French alone lack the power projection) want to back their client state, but even with a full alliance, the British can only buy a few decades.

So the USA annexes the CSA, and turns inward to rebuild.

If this is a late victory C.S.A senario than the base for industrialization is there as the Confederate States had to build factories for the war effort even if a small amount so there is no reason in say 50 or so years that the C.S.A could not be moderately industrialized even if far behind the U.S.A
 
If this is a late victory C.S.A senario than the base for industrialization is there as the Confederate States had to build factories for the war effort even if a small amount so there is no reason in say 50 or so years that the C.S.A could not be moderately industrialized even if far behind the U.S.A

Even in an early-victory they're going to be somewhat industrialized, but the key is that the *USA is going to be much, much more heavily industrialized, and can just drown the *CSA under the weight of manpower and equipment.

It's worth noting that in this scenario, the *CSA is reliant on European allies to prop her up - certainly Britain, possibly France. The *USA has an ally, too - Russia was very pro-Union, and that would give Britain something to consider if she goes full-out backing the *CSA in a war: it opens up the Russians to expand in contested territories.
 

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Why does the USA want the whole CSA?
If nothing else the USA is going to want Virginia, protect D.C., and all the states down to New Orleans, control the Mississippi aka the North American Highway, and at that point may as well take the rest of the former states.
 
Taking the entire CSA after decades of independence = taking dozens of millions of people (with personal weapons) who now consider themselves their own nation, are used to it, and don't like the Union = dozens of millions of rebellious people. Not worth it.

"Correcting" the border yes. Forcing the defeated CS to lease (cheaply) the oil fields of Texas to the Union, yes. Limits on CS military, yes.

Annexing outright the whole CS, no.
 
Seems more realistic the South is Balkanized. Possibly not by the force of the US, but by the self interest of the states. It depends if any of the poor whites overthrough the planters who set themselves up as an aristocracy. And I think that, whether the Us had it at the last war or just got it in this one, New Orleans is US. Same with the Florida Keys. Wondering if the Spanish will support that to keep off Confederate filibusters, or if they will come together in support of slavery.
 
Based on how OTL Petersburg went in 1864-65 I suspect a war in the 1880s or 1890s would cause the Northern Virginia theater to look like the Western Front of WWI with both sides entrenching and the lines likely stretching from the mountains in western Virginia to the ocean.

The Union would focus on their blockade strategy while fighting for control of the Mississippi down to New Orleans. Once this is accomplished they would then do what they did OTL and drive on through Georgia destroying the heart of Confederate industry. The trans-Mississippi theater would be a sideshow but I suspect Confederate Arizona and New Mexico fall easily and coastal Texas seized by the Union.

In short, the Union could totally defeat the CSA if it wanted to and they likely would. The British would have to decide if the CSA is really worth making an enemy of the US at a time when their concern is with an ascendant Germany. The US is far more valuable to them both militarily and economically as a unified power.
 
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