Secession only half successful?

Is it possible for only a fraction of the confederacy to successfully secede during the ACW? This could be a consequence of only some of the states seceding in the first place and doing so successfully, the Union recapturing some of the rebellious states but not all of them and ending the war with a rump confederacy still existing, or something else like foreign recognition of the CSA. The POD must be post-1800 so the nature and time period of the Civil War can absolutely change. This rump Confederacy doesn't have to be stable either, it cant collapse overnight but it doesnt have to exist perpetuity and can be reconquered by the Union at some point in the future if that helps plausibility.
 
Without constant British and/or French assistance, I don't see any kind of Confederacy surviving for long, and I don't see the British or the French getting involved in this. Eventually it will break up and the US will take back all of the states, except possibly Texas, which may have the resources to remain independent. Any sort of rump CSA would probably be South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana at most. Virginia, North Carolina and Tennessee probably immediately rejoin the USA
 
Without constant British and/or French assistance, I don't see any kind of Confederacy surviving for long, and I don't see the British or the French getting involved in this. Eventually it will break up and the US will take back all of the states, except possibly Texas, which may have the resources to remain independent. Any sort of rump CSA would probably be South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana at most. Virginia, North Carolina and Tennessee probably immediately rejoin the USA

So the Lower South east of the Mississippi, and a separate Texas?
 
If you have it before Britain abolishes slavery, what is the likelihood they help the south?

Equally low. Britain had a strong abolitionist lobby from around the time of the initial ARW if not earlier. They banned the slave trade in 1807 - and declared that the rest of the world was compelled to obey the same law - and that was the point really when it became certain that Britain would go down an anti-slavery line. I don't think there's really any scope for Parliament to be filled with pro-slavery MPs powerful enough to try to shelter the CSA just because it also believes in slavery.
 
Equally low. Britain had a strong abolitionist lobby from around the time of the initial ARW if not earlier. They banned the slave trade in 1807 - and declared that the rest of the world was compelled to obey the same law - and that was the point really when it became certain that Britain would go down an anti-slavery line. I don't think there's really any scope for Parliament to be filled with pro-slavery MPs powerful enough to try to shelter the CSA just because it also believes in slavery.

On the other hand, doesn't the south have a much better chance on its own that early in the game?
 
Oddball method

As the Civil War rages--OTL's or a different one--one or two states decide to offer the following deal to Britian: You gaurantee slavery within these states, and a certain degree of autonomy, and we'll rejoin the Empire.
 
As the Civil War rages--OTL's or a different one--one or two states decide to offer the following deal to Britian: You gaurantee slavery within these states, and a certain degree of autonomy, and we'll rejoin the Empire.


Why would Britain want to have anything to do with slave owning states?
 
As the Civil War rages--OTL's or a different one--one or two states decide to offer the following deal to Britian: You gaurantee slavery within these states, and a certain degree of autonomy, and we'll rejoin the Empire.


Britain;

-Freed Slaves that aided them during the American Revolution.

-Was one of the first nations to abolish Slavery.

-Actively tried to suppress the slave trade.
 

iddt3

Donor
Most probably. I can't speculate as to how early the south could actually secede though, I don't know enough to comment on that.
The south has neither the Ideology, nor the need to secede early, it's only when the North looks to be seriously threatening their dominance that they started to toy with the idea of leaving.
 
Britain;

-Freed Slaves that aided them during the American Revolution.

-Was one of the first nations to abolish Slavery.

-Actively tried to suppress the slave trade.

Exactly without a POD for GB as well having GB guarentee slavery in the Southern States is ASB whether they are willing to rejoin the empire or not.
 
As the Civil War rages--OTL's or a different one--one or two states decide to offer the following deal to Britain: You gaurantee slavery within these states, and a certain degree of autonomy, and we'll rejoin the Empire.

WWII--Mussolini offers to surrender as long as the Allies guarantee Italy a fascist form of government. How do you think that's going to go over?
 
The 'go thou wayward sisters' sentiment is stronger in the Union, and only the original states secede. That would require Lincoln not to be president, no doubt, which means secession probably happens later. But...

Virginia, Tennessee and North Carolina, IIRC, didn't secede until Lincoln started raising large armies.
 

Jasen777

Donor
The 'go thou wayward sisters' sentiment is stronger in the Union, and only the original states secede. That would require Lincoln not to be president, no doubt, which means secession probably happens later. But...

Virginia, Tennessee and North Carolina, IIRC, didn't secede until Lincoln started raising large armies.

When the Deep South is let go without a fight, it would be interesting to see if those states would then want to join them (I'd say yes).
 
Perhaps an independent Texas seccession?

Or could we see a 3way secession?
Basically the Californias go their own way as well and while the North still beats the South the West gets independence.
 
The 'go thou wayward sisters' sentiment is stronger in the Union, and only the original states secede. That would require Lincoln not to be president, no doubt, which means secession probably happens later. But...

Virginia, Tennessee and North Carolina, IIRC, didn't secede until Lincoln started raising large armies.

THis seems the most likely way to get it. A peaceful, uncontested secession.

And a rump Confederacy.

Interesting.

Anyone want to do a map?
 
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