Scythio-Tocharian dominance in India

Albert.Nik

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Scythians and Tocharians,as we all know,were dominant peoples in the West Central Asia along the Silk Road and beyond touching the borders of India and establishing various dynasties in India and leaving a significant mark on the History,culture and the peopling of the South Asia. Scythians established the Indo-Scythian kingdoms in India and later dissolving into the population. Tocharians established the famous Kushan Empire along with various Eastern Iranian peoples of the Central Asia leaving large amount of influence on both Persia and India.

The West Central Asia including the Caucasus played a role of a crucible for Indian Subcontinent,Europe and the Middle East(Hurro-Urartian migrations) and the regions these influenced as the Indo-Europeans and the Uralic peoples trace their origin to this region.

In this timeline,we will make a version of Hungary in India too. Hungary today is mostly said to have descended from Central Asian migrants comprising of Magyars,Caucasians,Scythio-Sarmatians who all came with the Huns to Pannonia settling there and mixing with the minority of people living there like Romans,Celts and maybe some Slavs. Bulgaria and some other Eastern European nations have such roots too. The Scythians and the Tocharians would migrate into Indian subcontinent earlier joining the Indo-Aryans again from whom they had split off less than a millennium ago.

This would happen before the rise of Alexander and if possible even before the rise of the Achaemenid empire. They would encounter a different India. Scythians,Sogdians and Tocharians build a strong and a large semi agricultural confederation stretching from Tarim Basin to Caucasus taking in several people in these lands like how the Hunnic confederations did later. Dominant are Scythians,Sogdians and Tocharians. They quickly move into the Indian subcontinent during Vedic era itself and joining the Indo-Aryans and building large Agricultural settlements,city states and ethno-religious Empires. Now these people form a humongous population of the Saptha Sindhu region and the Himalayan foothills and plains. There evolves a Vedic,Iranian and Tocharian based Indo-European religion like the Hindu-Buddhist-Zoroastrian hybrid. The earlier populations are too small to stand out in terms as a separate populations after this massive wave comes in during the Mid Vedic age and newer waves of smaller migrations later containing mostly Western Iranian and Caucasian peoples mainly and a minority of the Scythio-Tocharian peoples continues upto the Mahajanapadas when the smaller kingdoms grew in size,population and influence. Now you have a version of Greece,Rome,Hungary,France,Bulgaria and Turkey inside India formed in various ways similar to the formation of these nations. How would this India look in the later days? How would they face the Persians and the Greeks? How would the religions and cultures develop across the Central Asia and parts of Caucasus that falls under the sphere of this large empire? How would Tibet which is a neighbour look like? How would China look like? What would happen to the Turks and Mongols? Do they migrate in and assimilate or migrate elsewhere from the Altai mountains and Mongolia later in the 4th-13th century CE as this empire rule,population and territory crystallizes around 3rd Century BCE to 2nd Century CE and too strong by that time to touch. How would Greece and Rome fare? How would SE Asia be like? Explore the various other interesting possibilities with this.

Indian subcontinent is relatively more diverse linguistically in this timeline less socio-culturally,religiously and ethnically.


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Albert.Nik

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Indo-Aryans settled in the first wave in the Saptha Sindhu region from Sindh region to Delhi region. Thats where the first wave Scythio-Tocharian confederation will settle. They will mix with the Indo-Aryans and you would initially have a Vedic Culture with Iranian and Tocharian elements as well. This is the first peopling who will found the first few empires and will lay the foundation stone of the religions and cultures on which the future migrants will build on. Population looks somewhat diverse with range from Irish to Hungarians. Dravidian languages and the IVC languages survive in this timeline.

This first wave now has a strong and a well built empire from Punjab-Delhi region to Himalayan foothills. Helmund valley,Sindh,Gujarat-Greater parts of India will be the route of the subsequent migrations in the Mahajanapadas. This era would be known as the foothold of the tribe as translated from Sanskrit Mahajanapada when the tribes from West Central Asia are settling in India with a strong foothold in agriculture creating empires and kingdoms. The second wave contains mainly Scythians,Tocharians,Sogdians and other Indo-Iranians as well like the previous ones. The confederations in Central Asia arent done yet.

The fourth and fifth waves mostly include Sarmatian,Uralic and Caucasian portions of the confederation.
 

Albert.Nik

Banned
I'll give the Central Status of the most powerful empire in this timeline to the people who formed the first two three waves,namely,Eastern Iranian-Tocharian-Aryan mix. Later migrating branches of the Tocharians,Scythians and the Caucasians will become like the continental Celts who later joined the Roman Empire. Slavs and the East Germanic peoples will form the last wave of Indo-Europeans to join and will do so in the Medieval era. Turkic expansion will happen more towards the East and the North in this timeline and may dissolve into China,Siberia and some into this empire turning out like the Gagauz or Bulgarians later. Dravidians become like the Basque. Linguistically different,Culturally similar and Genetically almost the same. From Caucasus to the Cape tip of India is the range of this civilization.

You'll have mirror versions of UK,Ireland,France,Spain,Italy,Greece and Eastern European nations and Turkey too in the East in this timeline with people,culture and language mixes similar. I'll have to work out how the religion would look like. Russia will become a majority Germanic and Finnic country here. Central Asia and Northern South Asia will be inhabited by Slavs and Tocharian,Eastern Iranian confederations that founded this empire/Nation.
 
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