Not those who were settled in Africa. They were the colonial middleclass and were landed right in it on independence. My suggestion is that between the wars the colonial powers seek to maximise their assets and ship in settlers from India, China and South East Asia on the scale of late 19th century settlers to the US to provide cheep but reasonably skilled and moderately educated manpower. They as otl prosper causing huge resentment and on independence all hell breaks loose.
Screw Postcolonial Africa EVEN Harder Than OTL
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Yeah I was thinking that one relatively "easy" way of achieving much worse conditions would have been for more newly independent states to try to decolonize their societies by basically trying to abolish the existing systems and bureaucracies left behind by the Euro's and establish new more revolutionary ones very quickly.
Those bureaucracies and systems were designed to exploit and manipulate the locals but trying to completely reform all aspects of your society and nation rapidly is a path to disaster.
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This will make the Europeanization of americas and australia and stalinistic wars look like a picnic.
In a situation where they don't have huge numbers of their people abroad and have to worry about them being kicked out. Not true of TTL.
Would be interesting seeing both India and China dragged into foreign military interventions in Africa to protect waves of Indian/Chinese families who moved to Africa (especially if PRC promotes settling in Africa as an alternative to their one-child policy) as well as protecting embattled regimes in Africa (e.g. South Africa, etc) who cannily give Indians/Chinese equal rights (along with preferential status / etc for India / China).
Not just citizens of the PRC, there could be large numbers who see themselves as citizens of the Republic of China having fled to Africa in the 20's, 30's and 40's to escape the wars.
Have Biafra winning the Nigerian Civil War, triggering all sorts of separatist movements in Africa and plunging most of the continent into civil war.
Of course.
Not sure how the following would come about in terms of PODs (let alone whether pre-war PODs would be needed), though another idea would be (depending on which region in Africa) broad ruling coalition governments of vulnerable minority groups (e.g. White, Coloured, Indian/Asian, Khoisan, etc) backed by militaries from Asia (plus other foreign mercenaries) against Communist-backed guerrilla groups / rebel armies with a penchant for committing various atrocities including the occasional instance of CBRN terrorism.
Rather than sending expeditions, Cuba gives the Derg and MPLA some of its VX nerve gas.
I don't think a Biafran victory would've increased the calls for secession more than what was seen after their defeat and what's going on now across Africa.
Let China keep buying out whole countries like they have with Zambia.
You thought European colonialism was bad, wait til the guys who literally lobotomize and harvest the organs from their own dissidents take over.
You thought European colonialism was bad, wait til the guys who literally lobotomize and harvest the organs from their own dissidents take over.
Well, one could make an argument that an independent Biafra would have emboldened secessionists in other African nations on the basis that it shows that secessionism can work.
There is a political party in Zambia OTL that is very critical of Chinese influence, wanting to cut most links with China, nearly won the elections once. There's quite a groundswell of anti Chinese politics and influence growing in Eastern and Southern Africa all the way from Ethopia to South Africa
There's a Gandhi must fall movement, like the Rhodes must fall movement, in Southern Africa, only not as big, due to racist comments he made about Black Africans. They've had some success stopping a statue being erected in Malawi.
Fascinated by the idea of a wanked South Africa (possibly including Namibia, Rhodesia, etc) building a northern border wall and naming it after Gandhi, both due to his OTL comments and relationship with Jan Smuts as well as in ATL scenario where Indians/Chinese/other Asians are basically given equal rights. Wonder if people in ATL would be openly criticizing Gandhi and his potentially tarnished posthumous legacy. Perhaps there is an OTL Chinese equivalent of Gandhi who also made similarly racist comments about Black Africans?
Possibly. Although there hasn't been an emboldening in secessionist groups in Africa following the independence of states such as South Sudan or Eritrea (which, is viewed as a secessionist state despite being under separate Italian colonial control prior to Ethiopia's complete takeover in the early 1960s).
A lethal combination of 19th century nationalism, especially the concept of "one language, one nation" and the conflict that characterized the former Yugoslavia of the 1990s.
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So a faster developing nationalist china gets a early start on its otl economic registration into Africa?
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