Scottish aircraft carriers

Landshark · Mar 16, 2007

Calgacus said:
By the way, did any of those sites actually have the uniform designs? Would it be khaki and the same camo as now? Or something else? I can sense a few model kits winging their way to my house...

I was wondering about that myself as I could do with a laugh.

Calgacus · Mar 16, 2007

Landshark said:
I was wondering about that myself as I could do with a laugh.

Did you read the one about Scotland having four nuclear subs?? And buying 60 Leopard tanks from Germany?? These people are certifiable. Having said that, I will probably now be gluing together and painting my 'Scottish Defence Force' as most of the Tanks and IFVs in question are available in 1/72 scale. I'll use 67thTigers definitions though, not those guys'.

Landshark · Mar 16, 2007

Calgacus said:
Did you read the one about Scotland having four nuclear subs?? And buying 60 Leopard tanks from Germany?? These people are certifiable. Having said that, I will probably now be gluing together and painting my 'Scottish Defence Force' as most of the Tanks and IFVs in question are available in 1/72 scale. I'll use 67thTigers definitions though, not those guys'.

I'd seen that one when we were still on the old board, now I want something new like the service dress chosen by the Celtic Brotherhood to affirm Scotland's independence from England.

I wonder is they'll inflict the kilt on everyone?

Fellatio Nelson · Mar 16, 2007

Calgacus said:
Did you read the one about Scotland having four nuclear subs?? And buying 60 Leopard tanks from Germany?? These people are certifiable. Having said that, I will probably now be gluing together and painting my 'Scottish Defence Force' as most of the Tanks and IFVs in question are available in 1/72 scale. I'll use 67thTigers definitions though, not those guys'.

Tell you what does look neat about Scottish soldiers in the field (or, soldiers in Scottish regiments): those dark blue glengarry caps - the ones with the red and white diced bands - worn with combat dress, with the little St Andrews Cross flashes on the arm.

Very sexy up front and personal.

Not the image they'd hoped for, but it's true.

Calgacus · Mar 16, 2007

Fellatio Nelson said:
Tell you what does look neat about Scottish soldiers in the field (or, soldiers in Scottish regiments): those dark blue glengarry caps - the ones with the red and white diced bands - worn with combat dress, with the little St Andrews Cross flashes on the arm.

Very sexy up front and personal.

Not the image they'd hoped for, but it's true.

Hmm. Well if they don't conquer on the battlefield, at least they'll conquer in Bennet's and the Polo Lounge...
(Glasgow gay bars)

Landshark · Mar 16, 2007

Speaking of uniforms I came across this site a while ago:

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I only mention it because I have a copy of NATO Armies from Osprey and it's interesting to contrast the very British service dress of European armies in 1962 to the rather less traditional ones worn since the late 60's.

Johnnyreb · Mar 17, 2007

Is it true one of the Scots CVs is to be called the "Mel Gibson?"

I must say The Devils-in-Skirts should sort out the UN's peace-keeping function. It's old now, but one of John Master's books referred to a Scottish secret weapon. They would put razor blades around the edges of their Tam O'Shanters, so they could literally wipe the grins off the faces of their opponents.

There will always be a bit of confusion about this. I recall a Stargate episode where they showed one of the heroes with a St Andrew's Cross flag on his shoulder patch. Immediately after, they showed an Englishman with a Union Jack on his shoulder. The costume designer seemed unaware that the St Andrew's Cross forms part of the Union Flag. So if there were independence, the Cross would have to be taken out of the design.

What I am concerned about, though, who will James Bond be working for?

Fellatio Nelson · Mar 17, 2007

Johnnyreb said:
Is it true one of the Scots CVs is to be called the "Mel Gibson?"

The blue one, yes. Although it'd never take part in exercises with the Israeli Navy.

Johnnyreb said:
What I am concerned about, though, who will James Bond be working for?

Depends who's playing him at the time.

If Connery, Scotland; if Dalton, Wales; if Moore or Craig, then England. Except when he's that Australian, Lazenby.

Flocculencio · Mar 17, 2007

Landshark said:
Speaking of uniforms I came across this site a while ago:

Link

I only mention it because I have a copy of NATO Armies from Osprey and it's interesting to contrast the very British service dress of European armies in 1962 to the rather less traditional ones worn since the late 60's.

It was a nice idea to get the whole Luxemburger army together to pose for the painting.

Johnnyreb · Mar 17, 2007

I should have thought the loyalty of James Bond would depend on the character, rather than whether the actor is English or Scottish. Bond has some considerable Scottish roots. I think he was born in Scotland and attended, inter alia, Fettes School. There is a strong case for saying that he will, in future, work for Scotland.

This is bound to have a retrogade effect on the films. The tag lines (You've had your six, I think he's got the point, and so on) will go and be replaced by the ubiquitous "Who d'ye think your staring at? D'ye wanna fight?" There will be none of this poncy Martini stuff. Bond will be falling into bars in Ho Chi Minh City demanding a pint of heavy with a whisky chaser.

BTW, Flocc, that's not the whole of the Luxembourg Army. There's a bloke on a horse as well, who is the cavalry. They did buy a tank but they can't start it. They sent for a mechanic from France, but he hasn't turned up yet.

Fletch · Mar 17, 2007

Johnnyreb said:
I should have thought the loyalty of James Bond would depend on the character, rather than whether the actor is English or Scottish. Bond has some considerable Scottish roots. I think he was born in Scotland and attended, inter alia, Fettes School. There is a strong case for saying that he will, in future, work for Scotland.

This is bound to have a retrogade effect on the films. The tag lines (You've had your six, I think he's got the point, and so on) will go and be replaced by the ubiquitous "Who d'ye think your staring at? D'ye wanna fight?" There will be none of this poncy Martini stuff. Bond will be falling into bars in Ho Chi Minh City demanding a pint of heavy with a whisky chaser.

Alf Garnett is alive.

The legend lives on..

Fellatio Nelson · Mar 17, 2007

FletcherofSaltoun said:
Alf Garnett is alive.

The legend lives on..

Don't glass him, Fletcher, he's not worth it!!!

I mean, one only has to look at the behaviour of the Tartan Army when compared to the pristine record of travelling England supporters.

Anyhow, Bond smoked 60-a-day and drank copiously. Of course he was Scottish.

Fletch · Mar 17, 2007

Fellatio Nelson said:
Don't glass him, Fletcher, he's not worth it!!!

I mean, one only has to look at the behaviour of the Tartan Army when compared to the pristine record of travelling England supporters.

Anyhow, Bond smoked 60-a-day and drank copiously. Of course he was Scottish.

He'll shock everyone and defect to mossad. They dont mess about..

Abdul Hadi Pasha · Mar 17, 2007

EvolvedSaurian said:
Since we had the English A-bomb and Welsh space program threads...

So... Any ideas? Was one of the current British CVNs built in Scotland? Could they claim rights to it?

Not to be anal, but they're not CVN's - the 'N' means nuclear. It took me a minute to realize it wasn't a DBWI.

Johnnyreb · Mar 17, 2007

Fell will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong, but the RN doesn't like CVNs because of the hideous cost of disposing of the power plant when it's worn out.

If I may be allowed to return to James Bond, I don't really deserve bottling for suggesting he may become a Scottish stereotype. After all, Bond is an English stereotype of a sort which hardly exists any more. He is retained as a stereotype to indicate the fact he is English, to folk around the World who rarely meet the English.

Bond is a world-wide commodity. So if he switches to Scottish, then he must assume a Scottish stereotype, to tell uncomprehending Venezualans and Cambodians that he is Scottish. Hence my suggestion of Rabb C Nesbitt.

I am well aware that there are other Scottish national stereotypes. But the Child of the Manse, as a figure however noble, is scarcely known outside the British Isles, except perhaps Canada.

EvolvedSaurian · Mar 17, 2007

Abdul Hadi Pasha said:
Not to be anal, but they're not CVN's - the 'N' means nuclear. It took me a minute to realize it wasn't a DBWI.

Oh, blast. Well. Carriers then.

Fellatio Nelson · Mar 17, 2007

Abdul Hadi Pasha said:
Not to be anal, but they're not CVN's - the 'N' means nuclear. It took me a minute to realize it wasn't a DBWI.

No, no, the N means Navy. Much like the SAS stands for Super Army Soldiers.

Johnnyreb said:
Fell will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong, but the RN doesn't like CVNs because of the hideous cost of disposing of the power plant when it's worn out.

Aside from cost and political considerations, why bother having a nuclear-powered carrier if all your escorts and RFAs are conventionally powered? You'd still be tied to them, and they to you.

Calgacus · Mar 17, 2007

So Sean Connery isn't Scottish enough???

Johnnyreb said:
Fell will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong, but the RN doesn't like CVNs because of the hideous cost of disposing of the power plant when it's worn out.

If I may be allowed to return to James Bond, I don't really deserve bottling for suggesting he may become a Scottish stereotype. After all, Bond is an English stereotype of a sort which hardly exists any more. He is retained as a stereotype to indicate the fact he is English, to folk around the World who rarely meet the English.

Bond is a world-wide commodity. So if he switches to Scottish, then he must assume a Scottish stereotype, to tell uncomprehending Venezualans and Cambodians that he is Scottish. Hence my suggestion of Rabb C Nesbitt.

I am well aware that there are other Scottish national stereotypes. But the Child of the Manse, as a figure however noble, is scarcely known outside the British Isles, except perhaps Canada.

Fellatio Nelson · Mar 17, 2007

Calgacus said:
So Sean Connery isn't Scottish enough???

He lives in the Caribbean, not Carnoustie.

Fletch · Mar 17, 2007

Johnnyreb said:
Fell will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong, but the RN doesn't like CVNs because of the hideous cost of disposing of the power plant when it's worn out.

If I may be allowed to return to James Bond, I don't really deserve bottling for suggesting he may become a Scottish stereotype. After all, Bond is an English stereotype of a sort which hardly exists any more. He is retained as a stereotype to indicate the fact he is English, to folk around the World who rarely meet the English.

Bond is a world-wide commodity. So if he switches to Scottish, then he must assume a Scottish stereotype, to tell uncomprehending Venezualans and Cambodians that he is Scottish. Hence my suggestion of Rabb C Nesbitt.

I am well aware that there are other Scottish national stereotypes. But the Child of the Manse, as a figure however noble, is scarcely known outside the British Isles, except perhaps Canada.

Onslo, from keeping up apperances, as I shall henceforth call you.

Sean Connery? An English Icon? What planet are you on. Of course, James Bond is a smaller global brand than Rab C Nesbitt, a show which conquered the world(perhaps in your head)

And Sean Connerys accent was clearly English, as was Pierce Brosnans? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe in one of the books there is a reference to him coming from Edinburgh. I think thats enough proof. Besides either way who cares who he spies for. You can spy for nations other than that of your birth. Philby and Maclean proved that.

Look out for Hyacinth

Besides should the rest of the UK and Scotland seperate, whats to stop the Armed Forces being shared?